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Basic Guide for Botlane Match Ups/ Champ Classes

Hi fellow summoners,here is a guide that I wrote a few years ago and kept updating from time to time. It is not perfect and only basic (might be I forgot to add a champ or 2 to be honest but I tried to include every champ, also some stuff might be a bit outdated, I´ll try to fix it up if I find something):
Edit: Before you read any further and be like "Eh but this and that combination isn´t really good because this champ favors this and that blablabla...This guide is meant to show Concepts of how it is supposed to be in general.You always have to adapt depending the match up, player skill, etc.
Types of Botlanes
Everyone knows it: Botlane is a case of its own. With more than 40 different champions played on Botlane, there is a huge amount of possible match ups and types of lanes.
This article is meant to categorize the usual Marksmen played on Botlane to give you an easy to find weaknesses and strengths of each Marksman.Please be aware that a champion can fit into several classes at the same time.
For that we will divide the marksmen into 5 classes:
“Lane Bully”, “Spellcaster”, “Tank Shreds aka On-Hit User” “Hypercarry aka Crit User” and “Utility”

Lane Bullies
What is a “Lane Bully?”A “Lane Bully” is a marksman who has strong laning capabilities and can dominate a lane if he does his job correctly. Most common examples are: Caitlyn, Draven, Lucian, Miss Fortune (most common in Low Elo) Senna, and Varus (Lethality Build). Each of them has strong laning power due to their kit:Caitlyn has the biggest auto attack range of all Marksmen LvL 1, Dravens attack damage is higher than anyone´s else, Lucian can burst down people in a few seconds due his double shot passive, Miss Fortune can zone people with her Q and deal monstrous damage, Senna has good range and built in sustain + her Q applies Glacial Augment and Varus with a Lethality Build can kill people with 3 Q´s.
At the same time these Marksmen usually fall off in the late game (please be aware of Senna here due to her in build infinite scaling) due to their early power (to make them balanced) so they tend to lose more often if they can´t end the same fast.If you play a “Lane Bully”: Try to be aggressive early game and make use of your power to snowball the game into a fast win. If you play against them: Try to play safe and go for farm instead of risky plays.

Spellcasters
What is a “Spellcaster”?A “Spellcaster” is a marksman who relies mostly on his spells to deal damage/ effective.The most common examples are: Ezreal, Aphelios, Jhin, Lucian, Miss Fortune, Samira, Sivir, Varus (Lethality Build) and Xayah.“Spellcaster” put a lot of focus onto their mana management but on the same time they are able to put out a lot of damage/ control on the game if they have the mana they need for their spells. Not every “Spellcaster” is strong in the early game, but every “Spellcaster” can dominate a certain state of game with their kits (Aphelios is special here because he relies less on his mana and “spells” and more about his ammunition and what guns he has and how he uses them but it is still the same idea in my opinion).The downside of playing a “Spellcaster” is pretty similar to the downsides of a mage: If their spells are on cooldown or if they are out of mana, the damage they can deal is way lower than at their best.If you play a “Spellcaster”: Play around your cooldowns and mana. Use your spells to deal as much damage as possible, back off and then go back in when your cooldowns are back up.
If you play against a “Spellcaster”: Make use of cooldowns and the enemy being out of mana. If you see them waste their spells, go in and blow them up.

Tank Shreds
What is a “Tank Shred”?A “Tank Shred” is a marksman who´s main damage comes from effects which get applied with every auto attack. The most common examples are: Kai´Sa, Kalista, Kog Maw, Varus and Vayne.“Tank Shreds” usually have spells in their kit which allow them to deal bonus damage with every attack/ every specific attack numbers. For example: Vayne does bonus damage with her W every three hits, Kai´Sa applies bonus damage after stacking 5 hits of plasma.Almost every time “On-Hit User” go for the same to items: “Krakenslayer” and “Phantom Dancer”. The reason for that is that “Krakenslayer” deals bonus damage every third Auto Attack and “Phantom Dancer" buffs your attack speed by 30% after attacking 4 times.
Their Itembuilds rely mostly on attack speed and their effects per attack so the damage per attack is low compared to other marksmen. The longer a fight goes, the stronger a “Tank Shred” gets.
If you play a “Tank Shred”: Play around your stacks. Depending on how much stacks you need, try to fight as long as you need. As Vayne play around your three hits, as Kalista try to stack as many spears as possible and then execute the enemy with your E “Rend”.
If you play against a “Tank Shred”: Be careful of long trades. Since “On-Hit User” get stronger with longer trades, limit yourself to do short trades to deny their strength and reduce their hp before you all in them when they can´t make use of long trades anymore.

Hypercarry:
What is a “Hypercarry”? A “Hypercarry” is a marksman who builds items with “critical strike chance”, the exception here is Kog Maw. The most common examples are: Aphelios, Ashe, Caitlyn, Draven, Jinx, Jhin, Sivir, Tristana, Twitch and Xayah.
“Hypercarries” rely on their “critical chance strike” to deal high amounts of damage with every attack. Critical attacks deal 175% damage instead of the usual 100%. By building “Infinity Edge” the damage gets further increased to 210%. These Marksmen usually buy at least 3 items with “critical strike chance”, with “Infinity Edge” being the “Core” of the build.“Hypercarries” usually get to their strongest point quite late in a game. They need time to farm gold to get their items but when they got them, they outscale most other Marksmen classes.If you play a “Hypercarry”: Try to play safe early on (Only exceptions are Draven and Cailyn depending on match up) and try to farm as much gold as possible to get to your items fast and then crush the game by killing non tanks with 2 or 3 hits.If you play against a “Hypercarry”: Overpower them early on before they can stack up their critical strike chance since their high damage output is based on “luck”. The item parts for “infinity Edge” are quite expensive so try to punish that by forcing them into bad recalls.

Utiliity:
What is a “Utility” marksman? Utility marksmen are marksmen who´s kit revolves around their team for the biggest effect. The most common examples are: Ashe, Kalista, Sivir, Senna and Varus.
They all have an ultimate which needs the team to be useable/ for the best use. They got spells for “the greater good” than just using all of their spells for winning a 1v1. Ashe can catch out a target with her ultimate, Sivir boosts the whole team with movement speed which allows them to either gap close fast to get a good engage or disengage without getting caught that easily. Kalista even need her Oathsworn to activate her ultimate and the W passive (bonus damage if she and her sworn hit the same target in a short amount of time) so she depends even more on her team/ oathsworn to be nearby. To be fair, Varus Ultimate isn´t as “good” as Ashe ultimate due to its range, but on the other hand it provides a possible bind onto all 5 targets and can disrupt the enemy formation pretty well.
If you play a “Utility” marksman: Play around your team. Use the fact that your champion is best when having back up or when trying to make a play/ making the engage. Don´t hesitate to use your ultimate to get a catch on an enemy in the mid- to lategame since this can lead to a free baron, turret or maybe even nashor. Stick with our team and create openings to decide the game in your favor.
If you play against a “Utility” marksman: Be aware of the possible sudden engage by the enemy team using their marksman ultimate. As a tank try to stand in front of your team to “eat up” the ultimate if needed so your carries are still able to respond in a fight and don´t die in the first 2 seconds. Try to catch the marksman off guard and alone (the best would be a pincer attack), so he as to blow his ultimate to escape from one side just to die to the other side and create a 4v5 scenario for your team with the marksman being dead or back to base.

The Triangle of Support:
There are quite a few Supports in the game so there are a lot of different match ups and how a lane can play out depending on who you play against who, etc.
This is a rough outline to group supports in a class, what they are good at and what they struggle with if played correct and how it should play out in theory.
This “Triangle” shows the idea of who beats who
Poke -> All in -> Sustain/ Peel -> Poke ( -> = Beats)

All in
“All in” supports like Alistar, Thresh, Leona, Nautilus, Pyke, Rell etc. excel at going in till either one side is dead or has to back off. This kind of support beats “Sustain” supports since the “Sustain” supports don´t get the time/ chance to really make use of their shields and heals. Your heal won´t help your ADC if he´s going to die anyways.
While they do have an advantage over sustain, they lose out against “Poke Supports”, because they don´t get the chance to all in due to the damage the lane already took by the poke of the enemies. The only chance for you to score kills in such a lane is by going in after coming of a recall so they didn´t have the time to poke you down.
“All in” supports are usually picked with strong early game ADC to force kills and resources from the enemy and get your ADC as much gold advantage as you can early on in the game.

Sustain/ Peel
“Sustain/ Peel” Supports are champions who are able to negate damage due to their kits via shields and heals. Common examples are Janna, Lulu, Nami, Sona, Soraka.
Their strong point is to keep their ad carry alive so he stays able to fight and farm in lane despite taking damage.
They beat out the “Poke” supports because they can block the incoming poke via their shields (which can´t be dodged) and are able to deny the high aggression of the enemy botlane. In case of having a heal instead of a shield they can even restore health that got lost by poke if they were not in range or their spells on cooldown to deny the poke.
A “Sustain” support is usually picked with a strong scaling ADC to make sure he survives the lane and get him to his items as safe as possible.
For the "butthurt" people :D :
As a subclass of "Peel" Supports we got the, let´s call them, "Warden" Class:"Warden" Supports are champions who protect their ADC by "thowing themselves between their ADC and the enemy". They wait for the enemy to engage and then counter after the enemy blew their shots to get back at them when they try to retreat. Common examples are: Braum, Taric and Tahm Kench.
Their strong point is that they are able to take a punch while offering safety for their allies from enemy champions that try to "dive onto them".They beat the "All in" Supports at their own game because they abuse the fact that the enemy is trying to use their strength and then "swap" their strength into a weakness when they failed.
They usually play rather reactive than proactive since they rely on the enemy to step up first.At the same time they struggle against ranged match ups since they are easy to abuse for the enemy via poke. "Warden" don´t have a good way to deal with that kind of playstyle.

Poke
Poke supports are often times mages who went down from midlane to botlane, like Annie, Brand, Fiddlesticks (a jungler tho), Lux, Morgana, Senna, Seraphine, Vel´Koz, Xerath and Zyra.
Each of them offers quite a bit amount of damage and range with their spells what makes them able to harass the enemy botlane from far away without fearing taking damage in return. Their goal is to harass people do death or to force them back/ to the point where they can´t fight and have to “forfeit” the lane in their favor.Keep an eye on your mana pool and cooldowns since “Poke” supports rely heavily on their mana to deal damage just like “Spellcasters”. If you play Senna out of this bunch of supports, since she has a sustain spell, you can be more aggressive and trade harder since you can heal back up ( take notice on how you use your Q, try to heal up your ADC and yourself and hit the enemy champions for best usage).
For the same reason on one hand this kind of support beats “All in” supports since they deny the possibility of an all-in by the enemy because they are too low on hp to win the fight.
You have to be careful regardless after an “All in” support comes back to lane because that is the best point in time for him to turn onto you.On the other hand they have a hard time against “Sustain” supports due to getting their poke denied or healed back up by “Sustain” supports.
Try to bait out their shield or heal and then dump damage onto them so they can´t block the damage coming in and try to kill them before there cooldowns are coming back up.
“Poke” supports can be picked with early game strong and weak ADC to either enhance the killpressure and the possible lead or to cover the weakness of a weak ADC so they get some breathing room. But if things turn bad they tend to be worse than the other support classes due to them being less “supportive” due to their kit.

Synergies between ADC and Support classes
Overall there are 3 ways to “build” a bot lane. Each way differs in their strengths and purposes and I will just call them “Comfort picks”, “Synergy” and “Compensation” to make it easier to understand.
Comfort picks:
“Comfort picks” is literally what you think, you just play whatever you are best at. This has the chance building a mismatch on bot lane if people don´t communicate a lot with each other because every player plays to his own tune. I bet you all already saw something like a Thresh + Vayne lane where Thresh engaged and Vayne just stood in the back, chilling her life and continues to farm while Thresh fights for his life. What went wrong? The bot lane probably didn´t talk with each other, picked whatever they wanted and now are playing for two different goals. Thresh wants to play aggressive and score a lead in lane while Vayne just wants to sit back and scale up. If they don´t “group” up and play together they are likely to lose bot lane hard. On the same time, because they picked their mains, they are more likely to perform well compared to playing other champions to “fit” something because they know their champion (damage, tankyness, kit, spikes, etc.).
Synergy:
Synergy is when you pick a champion that fits the playstyle of the champion from your partner, e.g.: Thresh-Lucian, Kog´Maw-Lulu, Ashe-Zyra, Draven-Leona.
If you partner picks something that wants to get a lead early game you pick something that is strong early game to help him achieve his goal (winning lane), if he just wants to sit back, farm and scale up (on ADC side) you pick something that excels at peeling so your ADC survives the laning phase (Nami, Yuumi, Lulu, Braum, Tahm Kench, etc.) and can wreck the enemies later on. The downside of this “strategy” is when you can´t achieve your goal (either win lane or scale up) because then you are in a really bad spot.
If you need 5-10 more minutes to hit your item spike as jinx or Tristana, Kai´Sa, etc. the game might be over before you get there and if you lost early game as someone like Lucian, Miss Fortune, Lethality Varus, Caitlyn, etc., depending on match up you might get outscaled by the enemy and will “lose” to their advantage due to their kit later on. If you play against another early game champion, he might snowball the lead onto other lanes so your whole team starts losing, etc.
Compensation:
Compensation is pretty specific and usually works only in one direction and that is the Support compensating the ADC in the early game.
The Support should play a poke/mage support to do this since these champions are very strong in lane and that´s when they want to shine. The poke support has the “duty” to get/ create openings/ advantages for his scaling ADC so he might scale earlie has an easier laning phase. A scaling ADC who can´t get touched is a happy ADC, even more if he gets a few free kills.
The Support shall make the lane more “competitive” so you are able to put more pressure on the enemy team as a whole (if their ADC has to recall 24/7 he can´t do shit + it forces their Jungler do something). Problems will occur if the Support dies while trying to get advantages since he can´t really expect help from his [still] weak ADC.
This playstyle requires a lot of work/skill from the Support since he has to do the main work in lane while he can´t afford f*ck up. If he f*cks up, he lost bot lane single handily and maybe even the game.
To the question: “Can you compensate an early game ADC with a late game Support?”:Hardly. Most "late game” Supports would be “Sustain” Supports since they excel at keeping their team alive and allow their carries to dish out the damage they need to do.
Even if you peel a Lucian really well, chances are bad that he will carry a team fight compared to a Jinx if they are on even terms.
Edit: Feel free to argue or comment as much as you like, just by doing that I got what I wanted:People thinking about it
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Basic Guide for Botlane Match Ups/ Champ Classes

Hi fellow summoners, here is a guide that I wrote a few years ago and kept updating from time to time. It is not perfect and only basic (might be I forgot to add a champ or 2 to be honest but I tried to include every champ, also some stuff might be a bit outdated, I´ll try to fix it up if I find something):
Edit: Before you read any further and be like "Eh but this and that combination isn´t really good because this champ favors this and that blablabla...This guide is meant to show Concepts of how it is supposed to be in general.You always have to adapt depending the match up, player skill, etc.
Types of Botlanes
Everyone knows it: Botlane is a case of its own. With more than 40 different champions played on Botlane, there is a huge amount of possible match ups and types of lanes.
This article is meant to categorize the usual Marksmen played on Botlane to give you an easy to find weaknesses and strengths of each Marksman.Please be aware that a champion can fit into several classes at the same time.
For that we will divide the marksmen into 5 classes:
“Lane Bully”, “Spellcaster”, “Tank Shreds aka On-Hit User” “Hypercarry aka Crit User” and “Utility”

Lane Bullies
What is a “Lane Bully?”A “Lane Bully” is a marksman who has strong laning capabilities and can dominate a lane if he does his job correctly. Most common examples are: Caitlyn, Draven, Lucian, Miss Fortune (most common in Low Elo) Senna, and Varus (Lethality Build). Each of them has strong laning power due to their kit: Caitlyn has the biggest auto attack range of all Marksmen LvL 1, Dravens attack damage is higher than anyone´s else, Lucian can burst down people in a few seconds due his double shot passive, Miss Fortune can zone people with her Q and deal monstrous damage, Senna has good range and built in sustain + her Q applies Glacial Augment and Varus with a Lethality Build can kill people with 3 Q´s.
At the same time these Marksmen usually fall off in the late game (please be aware of Senna here due to her in build infinite scaling) due to their early power (to make them balanced) so they tend to lose more often if they can´t end the same fast.If you play a “Lane Bully”: Try to be aggressive early game and make use of your power to snowball the game into a fast win.If you play against them: Try to play safe and go for farm instead of risky plays.

Spellcasters
What is a “Spellcaster”? A “Spellcaster” is a marksman who relies mostly on his spells to deal damage/ effective.The most common examples are: Ezreal, Aphelios, Jhin, Lucian, Miss Fortune, Samira, Sivir, Varus (Lethality Build) and Xayah.“Spellcaster” put a lot of focus onto their mana management but on the same time they are able to put out a lot of damage/ control on the game if they have the mana they need for their spells. Not every “Spellcaster” is strong in the early game, but every “Spellcaster” can dominate a certain state of game with their kits (Aphelios is special here because he relies less on his mana and “spells” and more about his ammunition and what guns he has and how he uses them but it is still the same idea in my opinion).The downside of playing a “Spellcaster” is pretty similar to the downsides of a mage: If their spells are on cooldown or if they are out of mana, the damage they can deal is way lower than at their best.If you play a “Spellcaster”: Play around your cooldowns and mana. Use your spells to deal as much damage as possible, back off and then go back in when your cooldowns are back up.
If you play against a “Spellcaster”: Make use of cooldowns and the enemy being out of mana. If you see them waste their spells, go in and blow them up.

Tank Shreds
What is a “Tank Shred”?A “Tank Shred” is a marksman who´s main damage comes from effects which get applied with every auto attack. The most common examples are: Kai´Sa, Kalista, Kog Maw, Varus and Vayne.“Tank Shreds” usually have spells in their kit which allow them to deal bonus damage with every attack/ every specific attack numbers. For example: Vayne does bonus damage with her W every three hits, Kai´Sa applies bonus damage after stacking 5 hits of plasma.Almost every time “On-Hit User” go for the same to items: “Krakenslayer” and “Phantom Dancer”. The reason for that is that “Krakenslayer” deals bonus damage every third Auto Attack and “Phantom Dancer” gives 30% bonus attack speed after stacking 4 stacks.
Their Itembuilds rely mostly on attack speed and their effects per attack so the damage per attack is low compared to other marksmen. The longer a fight goes, the stronger a “Tank Shred” gets.
If you play a “Tank Shred”: Play around your stacks. Depending on how much stacks you need, try to fight as long as you need. As Vayne play around your three hits, as Kalista try to stack as many spears as possible and then execute the enemy with your E “Rent”.
If you play against a “Tank Shred”: Be careful of long trades. Since “On-Hit User” get stronger with longer trades, limit yourself to do short trades to deny their strength and reduce their hp before you all in them when they can´t make use of long trades anymore.

Hypercarry:
What is a “Hypercarry”? A “Hypercarry” is a marksman who builds items with “critical strike chance”, the exception here is Kog Maw. The most common examples are: Aphelios, Ashe, Caitlyn, Draven, Jhin, Jinx, Sivir, Tristana, Twitch and Xayah.
“Hypercarries” rely on their “critical chance strike” to deal high amounts of damage with every attack. Critical attacks deal 175% damage instead of the usual 100%. By building “Infinity Edge” the damage gets further increased to 210%. These Marksmen usually buy at least 3 items with “critical strike chance”, with “Infinity Edge” being the “Core” of the build.“Hypercarries” usually get to their strongest point quite late in a game. They need time to farm gold to get their items but when they got them, they outscale most other Marksmen classes.If you play a “Hypercarry”: Try to play safe early on (Only exceptions are Draven and Cailyn depending on match up) and try to farm as much gold as possible to get to your items fast and then crush the game by killing non tanks with 2 or 3 hits. If you play against a “Hypercarry”: Overpower them early on before they can stack up their critical strike chance since their high damage output is based on “luck”. The item parts for “infinity Edge” are quite expensive so try to punish that by forcing them into bad recalls.

Utiliity:
What is a “Utility” marksman? Utility marksmen are marksmen who´s kit revolves around their team for the biggest effect. The most common examples are: Ashe, Kalista, Sivir, Senna and Varus.
They all have an ultimate which needs the team to be useable/ for the best use. They got spells for “the greater good” than just using all of their spells for winning a 1v1. Ashe can catch out a target with her ultimate, Sivir boosts the whole team with movement speed which allows them to either gap close fast to get a good engage or disengage without getting caught that easily. Kalista even need her Oathsworn to activate her ultimate and the W passive (bonus damage if she and her sworn hit the same target in a short amount of time) so she depends even more on her team/ oathsworn to be nearby. To be fair, Varus Ultimate isn´t as “good” as Ashe ultimate due to its range, but on the other hand it provides a possible bind onto all 5 targets and can disrupt the enemy formation pretty well.
If you play a “Utility” marksman: Play around your team. Use the fact that your champion is best when having back up or when trying to make a play/ making the engage. Don´t hesitate to use your ultimate to get a catch on an enemy in the mid- to lategame since this can lead to a free baron, turret or maybe even nashor. Stick with our team and create openings to decide the game in your favor.
If you play against a “Utility” marksman: Be aware of the possible sudden engage by the enemy team using their marksman ultimate. As a tank try to stand in front of your team to “eat up” the ultimate if needed so your carries are still able to respond in a fight and don´t die in the first 2 seconds. Try to catch the marksman off guard and alone (the best would be a pincer attack), so he as to blow his ultimate to escape from one side just to die to the other side and create a 4v5 scenario for your team with the marksman being dead or back to base.

The Triangle of Support:
There are quite a few Supports in the game so there are a lot of different match ups and how a lane can play out depending on who you play against who, etc.
This is a rough outline to group supports in a class, what they are good at and what they struggle with if played correct and how it should play out in theory.
This “Triangle” shows the idea of who beats who
Poke -> All in -> Sustain/ Peel -> Poke ( -> = Beats)

All in
“All in” supports like Alistar, Thresh, Leona, Nautilus, Pyke, Rell etc. excel at going in till either one side is dead or has to back off. This kind of support beats “Sustain” supports since the “Sustain” supports don´t get the time/ chance to really make use of their shields and heals. Your heal won´t help your ADC if he´s going to die anyways.
While they do have an advantage over sustain, they lose out against “Poke Supports”, because they don´t get the chance to all in due to the damage the lane already took by the poke of the enemies. The only chance for you to score kills in such a lane is by going in after coming of a recall so they didn´t have the time to poke you down.
“All in” supports are usually picked with strong early game ADC to force kills and resources from the enemy and get your ADC as much gold advantage as you can early on in the game.

Sustain/ Peel
“Sustain/ Peel” Supports are champions who are able to negate damage due to their kits via shields or heals. Common examples are Bard, Janna, Lulu, Nami, Sona, Soraka.
Their strong point is to keep their ad carry alive so he stays able to fight and farm in lane despite taking damage.
They beat out the “Poke” supports because they can block the incoming poke via their shields (which can´t be dodged) and are able to deny the high aggression of the enemy botlane. In case of having a heal instead of a shield they can even restore health that got lost by poke if they were not in range or their spells on cooldown to deny the poke.
A “Sustain” support is usually picked with a strong scaling ADC to make sure he survives the lane and get him to his items as safe as possible.
For the "butthurt" people :D :
As a subclass of "Peel" Supports we got the, let´s call them, "Warden" Class: "Warden" Supports are champions who protect their ADC by "thowing themselves between their ADC and the enemy". They wait for the enemy to engage and then counter after the enemy blew their shots to get back at them when they try to retreat. Common examples are: Braum, Taric and Tahm Kench.
Their strong point is that they are able to take a punch while offering safety for their allies from enemy champions that try to "dive onto them". They beat the "All in" Supports at their own game because they abuse the fact that the enemy is trying to use their strength and then "swap" their strength into a weakness when they failed.
They usually play rather reactive than proactive since they rely on the enemy to step up first. At the same time they struggle against ranged match ups since they are easy to abuse for the enemy via poke. "Warden" don´t have a good way to deal with that kind of playstyle.

Poke
Poke supports are often times mages who went down from midlane to botlane, like Annie, Brand, Fiddlesticks (a jungler tho), Lux, Morgana, Senna, Seraphine, Vel´Koz, Xerath and Zyra.
Each of them offers quite a bit amount of damage and range with their spells what makes them able to harass the enemy botlane from far away without fearing taking damage in return. Their goal is to harass people do death or to force them back/ to the point where they can´t fight and have to “forfeit” the lane in their favor.Keep an eye on your mana pool and cooldowns since “Poke” supports rely heavily on their mana to deal damage just like “Spellcasters”. If you play Senna out of this bunch of supports, since she has a sustain spell, you can be more aggressive and trade harder since you can heal back up ( take notice on how you use your Q, try to heal up your ADC and yourself and hit the enemy champions for best usage).
For the same reason on one hand this kind of support beats “All in” supports since they deny the possibility of an all-in by the enemy because they are too low on hp to win the fight.
You have to be careful regardless after an “All in” support comes back to lane because that is the best point in time for him to turn onto you.On the other hand they have a hard time against “Sustain” supports due to getting their poke denied or healed back up by “Sustain” supports.
Try to bait out their shield or heal and then dump damage onto them so they can´t block the damage coming in and try to kill them before there cooldowns are coming back up.
“Poke” supports can be picked with early game strong and weak ADC to either enhance the killpressure and the possible lead or to cover the weakness of a weak ADC so they get some breathing room. But if things turn bad they tend to be worse than the other support classes due to them being less “supportive” due to their kit.

Synergies between ADC and Support classes
Overall there are 3 ways to “build” a bot lane. Each way differs in their strengths and purposes and I will just call them “Comfort picks”, “Synergy” and “Compensation” to make it easier to understand.
Comfort picks:
“Comfort picks” is literally what you think, you just play whatever you are best at. This has the chance building a mismatch on bot lane if people don´t communicate a lot with each other because every player plays to his own tune. I bet you all already saw something like a Thresh + Vayne lane where Thresh engaged and Vayne just stood in the back, chilling her life and continues to farm while Thresh fights for his life. What went wrong? The bot lane probably didn´t talk with each other, picked whatever they wanted and now are playing for two different goals. Thresh wants to play aggressive and score a lead in lane while Vayne just wants to sit back and scale up. If they don´t “group” up and play together they are likely to lose bot lane hard. On the same time, because they picked their mains, they are more likely to perform well compared to playing other champions to “fit” something because they know their champion (damage, tankyness, kit, spikes, etc.).

Synergy:
Synergy is when you pick a champion that fits the playstyle of the champion from your partner, e.g.: Thresh-Lucian, Kog´Maw-Lulu, Ashe-Zyra, Draven-Leona.
If you partner picks something that wants to get a lead early game you pick something that is strong early game to help him achieve his goal (winning lane), if he just wants to sit back, farm and scale up (on ADC side) you pick something that excels at peeling so your ADC survives the laning phase (Nami, Yuumi, Lulu, Braum, Tahm Kench, etc.) and can wreck the enemies later on. The downside of this “strategy” is when you can´t achieve your goal (either win lane or scale up) because then you are in a really bad spot.
If you need 5-10 more minutes to hit your item spike as jinx or Tristana, Kai´Sa, etc. the game might be over before you get there and if you lost early game as someone like Lucian, Miss Fortune, Lethality Varus, Caitlyn, etc., depending on match up you might get outscaled by the enemy and will “lose” to their advantage due to their kit later on. If you play against another early game champion, he might snowball the lead onto other lanes so your whole team starts losing, etc.

Compensation:
Compensation is pretty specific and usually works only in one direction and that is the Support compensating the ADC in the early game.
The Support should play a poke/mage support to do this since these champions are very strong in lane and that´s when they want to shine. The poke support has the “duty” to get/ create openings/ advantages for his scaling ADC so he might scale earlie has an easier laning phase. A scaling ADC who can´t get touched is a happy ADC, even more if he gets a few free kills.
The Support shall make the lane more “competitive” so you are able to put more pressure on the enemy team as a whole (if their ADC has to recall 24/7 he can´t do shit + it forces their Jungler do something). Problems will occur if the Support dies while trying to get advantages since he can´t really expect help from his [still] weak ADC.
This playstyle requires a lot of work/skill from the Support since he has to do the main work in lane while he can´t afford f*ck up. If he f*cks up, he lost bot lane single handily and maybe even the game.
To the question: “Can you compensate an early game ADC with a late game Support?”:Hardly. Most "late game” Supports would be “Sustain” Supports since they excel at keeping their team alive and allow their carries to dish out the damage they need to do.
Even if you peel a Lucian really well, chances are bad that he will carry a team fight compared to a Jinx if they are on even terms.
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Extensive list of "improvement notes" I used to climb from Silver to Plat with Yuumi

I recently climbed to Plat for the first time playing nothing but Yuumi, and wanted to share some notes I compiled along the way. Ever since high Silver, after each game, I would try to think hard about mistakes I made, going back to watch the replay if necessary. If anything stuck out, I would make an "improvement note" in a text file. These really added up after a while, and I have pasted the entire list below. Those closer to the top are more recent. There may be a few typos here and there -- feel free to ask if you don't understand something.





































































Hope at least some of these are useful to fellow Yuumi fans!
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Comprehensive Tier List for ADCs going into Patch 10.25

Disclaimer: I am Pour Some Juice (EUW), an ADC main who peaked D2 last season before taking a short break from the game. Whilst I haven’t played much ranked this preseason, I’ve been following stats websites and paying attention to which ADCs are strongest and why. With the upcoming patch having some pretty big changes for ADCs, I thought I would give a go at a comprehensive tier list of all ADCs, what makes them strong, and who to play with them.
S Tier – These champions are very strong in (almost) any team comp and have a range of strengths and lack of weaknesses.
Jhin (S+) – Despite the nerfs to his Q ratios and a couple of his items (Eclipse and Collector) these nerfs mainly nerf his waveclear more than his actual damage in teamfights. Also, with crit options being buffed, there is a chance these changes make up for the nerfs, especially the reduced cost of Rapidfire Cannon.
Weaknesses: Jhin’s primary weaknesses is tanks. His lack of consistent damage compared to other ADCs makes it hard to take them down, especially with his build mainly being lethality. However, tank items are being nerfed and crit being slightly buffed, potentially making this weakness less apparent. If he falls behind his damage can also be pretty hard hit, but he has a decent amount of utility to make up for it, and it is very hard to put him behind due to his strong early game.
Duos: Maokai > Janna > Nami > Leona > Swain > Thresh. These champions are very effective at utilising Jhin’s kit and complement him the best, but honestly his utility and damage mean he works well with most supports, so don’t feel afraid to pick other champions if you would prefer. I would say Braum is the only support that Jhin does not synergise well with.
Miss Fortune (S) – Again, the Eclipse and Collector nerfs may vaguely hurt MF’s power, but again these nerfs are bigger hits to utility than they are damage potential. Unlike Jhin, MF received no specific nerfs this patch meaning she will likely remain very strong. However, she will not utilise the crit buffs as well as Jhin will (barring maybe the Essence Reaver buffs).
Weaknesses: Much like Jhin, MF has a poor time dealing with tanks, but again with tank items being nerfed a little this might not be as bad. She can have a lot of problems against dive as well, as her ult makes her a sitting duck in teamfights.
Duos: Leona > Maokai > Nautilus > Thresh > Nami > Janna. These champs have a good mix of AOE lockdown and damage that compliments her kit insanely well with sufficient peel to allow her to ult safely. I would say most supports work well with her other than enchanters with limited cc i.e. Soraka, Lulu, Karma etc as they are not as good at unlocking her very powerful ultimate nor can boost her laning phase.
Kai’sa (S) – Buffs to crit items (especially IE) will benefit Kai’sa decently and she was already a strong champion before this patch. With small nerfs to other strong laning ADCs, her weakest part of the game will be harder to abuse and since Kai’sa is unlikely to get 100% crit due to wanting Nashor’s Tooth for the W upgrade, the IE buff will be very useful. With Phantom Dancer becoming even cheaper, there is a chance she might build this as a late game item as well.
Weaknesses: Like mentioned above, her laning phase is her main weakness and if put behind she can be very weak due to how item reliant she is for her ability upgrades. She can also struggle into teams with a lot of range due to her own short auto range whereas she is very strong into typical front to back scenarios, so by avoiding these her biggest strength can be neutered.
Duos: Leona > Thresh > Maokai > Galio > Nami > Lulu. CC supports are best for Kai’sa as they can make her laning phase stronger whilst enabling her well in skirmishes and teamfights, but meta enchanter supports are also good. She isn’t as versatile as the other ADCs when it comes to her support picks, especially since she doesn’t pair well with mage supports (although these aren’t very popular at the moment).
A Tier – These champions have their clear strengths but tend to be more situational or have more exploitable weaknesses.
Vayne (A+) – It was difficult to decide between Vayne and Kai’sa for S tier, but in the end I decided that Vayne is more situational than Kai’sa. She is basically a better front-line shredder and duellist but has an even weaker laning phase and has slightly less self-peel, making her more susceptible to getting one shot. Despite this, she is still a very strong pick especially into tankier teams and buffs to Phantom Dancer and Lord Dominik’s Regard will only help her with this.
Weaknesses: She suffers from the same issues as Kai’sa, but at a worse level. Her damage early is very low unless she is allowed to just free hit the enemy, making it easy to put her behind early. Whilst she isn’t as item reliant as Kai’sa, she still is reliant on at least 2 items before she can start pumping out damage. Poke comps screw her over very hard and if the enemy has no tanks her main strength is gone.
Duos: Lulu > Janna > Nami > Zilean > Thresh. Vayne works best with enchanter supports who can get her through laning phase and enable her in mid to late game teamfights. She can work well with some CC supports given they have adequate peel in their kits, but mage/poke supports are basically a no-go for her.
Samira (A) – Samira is getting some decent nerfs this patch, knocking her down from S tier to A tier. Her passive only working on knock-ups will make her choice of support more restricted and her reduced lifesteal will make her ability to sustain huge amounts weakened. She will still remain strong in the right situations, and as long as the snowball starts rolling it is going to be very hard to stop. Her safety with her W and E allows her to dive in and out of fights easily and her early game will still be powerful with the right support.
Weaknesses: Samira has a few exploitable weaknesses. Her W and E have very long cooldowns and baiting these out can be very important to killing her early game. Her lane is pretty good but not unbeatable, and not letting her snowball is very important. Her teamfighting when she isn’t ahead isn’t amazing and she can be shut down very easily by CC. Think of her like Katarina but without the ability to just sack her lane and roam around the map to get kills.
Duos: Nautilus > Alistar > Thresh > Maokai > Leona > Nami. Due to her passive only working on knock-ups now, Leona especially has fell in priority, but she will still be just as strong with knock-up heavy supports. She doesn’t work great with most enchanters barring Nami and Janna, and she should never be picked with a mage support or support without hard CC.
Ezreal (A) – Ezreal has remained pretty much the same this patch, the only real change being a slight nerf to his ability to proc Muramana, but he will remain a staple and safe pick for the botlane. Unlike most other ADCs, Ezreal spikes much better on individual item completions. Upon stacking Muramana and having Divine Sunderer, his mid game damage becomes very potent, and whilst he doesn’t scale amazingly, a good Ezreal player can definitely be a scary thing in late game teamfights.
Weaknesses: Whilst Ezreal has a pretty safe laning phase, he is not the best 2v2’er and can struggle with waveclear early on. Pushing him under turret and not letting him back for tear (if he didn’t start it) or his sheen can make him very weak, allowing you to have a lot of pressure for your jungler and allowing your support to roam. Since he is strongest mid game, putting him behind early can be very damaging as he doesn’t necessarily have the insurance of other scaling ADCs.
Duos: Bard > Janna > Maokai > Nami > Zilean. Ezreal doesn’t really excel with any support like the other ADCs we have mentioned, but he does like having supports who can lockdown or slow the enemy to make hitting his skill shots easier. Due to his safety and ability to farm from long range, supports who can roam well are a good match. 2v2 heavy supports are not recommended as his ability to win lane is pretty limited, unless he is against another bad laning ADC.
Ashe (A-) – Ashe is a versatile pick which offers strong utility combined with decent consistent damage, a palatable laning phase and strong scaling. The only real change she is getting this patch is the nerf to Imperial Mandate likely making the standard crit Ashe build better, especially considering buffs to some crit items. Ashe’s main strength is her consistency and utility, meaning she can be useful even from behind.
Weaknesses: Ashe doesn’t really have a super strong moment of the game, and at every point there is a more optimal pick for that moment. Her lack of mobility in such a high damage meta makes it easy to blow her up when caught out of position (Galeforce buffs may help her) Whilst her teamfighting is okay, especially with how much utility she offers, her ability to shred tanks isn’t great unless she really builds towards it.
Duos: Janna > Maokai > Seraphine > Nami > Brand > Lulu. The first ADC on the list to not really utilise engage supports very well, Ashe prefers those who can compliment her poke in lane and just generally be a nuisance, whilst having good peel potential in teamfights. Enchanters can sure up her late game weaknesses, whereas poke supports can help her to win early to mid-game. She is pretty versatile when it comes to her support picks overall.
B Tier – Picks which are situationally good but are average/sub-optimal in other scenarios.
Lucian (B+) – Lucian will see some changes to his items this patch, but mostly it seems like buffs. A small buff to Essence Reaver will help an item that is already a strong pick for him, whilst the IE buff will make his mid game spike stronger. Kraken Slayer > Essence Reaver > Infinity Edge will be a huge mid game powerspike where Lucian excels. With the new items it honestly feels like Lucian is even pretty decent at killing tanks due to how well he uses Kraken Slayer.
Weaknesses: Much like the other B tier champions, Lucian seems overly reliant on snowballing to be able to ensure a strong transition into the mid-game and it can feel like you’re on a bit of a timer due to his poor late game (although I think his late-game is decent is preseason). And whilst he has a good lane, it isn’t as good as Jhin, MF or Draven, and his short range means he can get beat out by long range ADCs such as Caitlyn and Jinx. But with a good laning phase, a good mid-game and with a couple of his core items being buffed next patch, there is a chance he can be a sleeper pick.
Duos: Nami > Maokai > Janna > Thresh > Yuumi. Lucian ideally wants a support who can aid him in winning laning phase whilst helping him with his transition to mid-game. CC isn’t as crucial as some other early game ADCs due to his mobility and consistent damage, but it does allow him to safely dash into the fray. Being able to compliment his damage can also help, which is especially why Nami is very useful as she just adds so much more to his rotation.
Tristana (B/+?) – Tristana is a pretty underrated pick right now but a lot of the time is overshadowed by Samira. They are both bursty, engage heavy, reset reliant champions who can snowball incredibly well when given the chance. The problem with Tristana is, whilst her late game is better than Samira’s, her mid game most certainly isn’t. If she can however get an early lead, she can dish out insane amounts of burst and demolish towers very quickly, accelerating her lead even more.
Weaknesses: If Tristana gets put behind early she will become very useless very quickly. She offers very little in the way of utility and for her to be strong after lane it relies heavily on her ability to get a lead early. Her laning phase is decent but she can be countered by poke champions and if she cannot reliably get her bomb fully stacked her damage is pretty low. Her jump can also be very easily interrupted by a good support which can greatly hinder her.
Duos: Nami > Leona > Janna > Bard > Yuumi > Taric. Supports with a mix of CC and peel are most useful for Tristana as they can utilise her ability to follow up on CC whilst enabling her to deal damage safely and buffing up her damage potential. She can work with most engage and enchanter supports decently but doesn’t necessarily excel with any specifics. Poke supports however perform very poorly with Tristana as they do not offer her the tools she needs to snowball.
Draven (B) – The lethality nerfs are unfortunately pretty bad news for Draven. The Duskblade slow being removed is a big hit to his ability to run people down and he utilised the Eclipse shield best out of all ADCs due to his playstyle. There is a potential that the crit buffs can help bandage up some of the losses (Galeforce Draven could be a very real possibility) but he will still be worse off for it. His laning phase is still very powerful and he is the premier snowball ADC due to his passive, so getting a lead will make him near impossible to shut down.
Weaknesses: Draven is the only champion in the game with a specific negative to dying, outside of the normal downsides, so if he can get shutdown early on it can be very dangerous, especially as his scaling is pretty poor. Picking either strong early laners such as Jhin/MF who can try and kill him early or very safe laners who can survive the lane are the ideal picks. His ability to kill tanks is also pretty limited and it can be very easy for them to jump on him due to his short range.
Duos: Swain > Nami > Janna > Thresh > Nautilus. Draven’s early kill pressure means he works well with any support that can compliment that, especially those that can help him run down his opponent safely and add to his damage. A combination of strong laning phase with decent skirmish utility is optimal, or you can just pick Swain to make your opponent wish they had dodged.
C Tier – Sub-optimal in almost every scenario; very limited situations in which they are useful.
C+: Caitlyn, Senna, Twitch (AD), Ezreal (AP)
C: Jinx, Aphelios, Varus (Lethality), Kalista
C-: Twitch (AP), Kog’Maw, Xayah, Varus (On-hit)
XD Tier: Sivir
Thanks to those who read the whole thing, thoughts about the power of ADCs, my specific picks for the tier list, or the way I presented the information would be great, and I’ll try and reply to comments. A Tl;dr will be provided below.
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What made you main a particular champ?

Hello wildrift, I'm an EU player with around 100 hours spent in the game already and previously played league ever since season 1, my question for you all here is in the title. I really enjoy playing any champion and any role, with the least preference going to ADC, I'm most comfortable in the jungle but I don't always feel the energy to jungle so I'll go baron lane or support in my lesser effort games.
I seem to be struggling to pin down a main, I have enjoyed playing shyvana, Dr mundo, graves, Garen, Lulu, braum, Janna, lux.. to name a few
One of the main reasons I tend to not be able to stick to a champion is realising that champions weakness, or also feeling at selection phase that the champion will be trash In the particular match up. For example if you first pick garen you're highly likely going to lane against a vayne. Or picking Dr mundo as jungle and running into a varus/vi combo.
The weaknesses of a champ often makes me try and pick to synergise with my team and avoid as many counters depending on the enemies picks, as long as I am not first pick..
Though this has led me with 300 games played with my highest champ having 30 matches only..
Anyway, TLDR, read title...
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Current champ tier list (imo as d2 player)

Top (baron) lane:
Jungle:
Mid lane:
ADC (dragon) lane:
Support:
Here's my reasoning for the S tier champs:
Of course this is all just my opinion on the games that I've personally played so far so I might be wrong. Any thoughts and disagreements would be greatly appreciated
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Can someone tell me more about varus's strengths?

Hey VarusMains I'm a new Varus player (considering adding Varus to my champ pool) and I just wanted some tips/knowledge on varus's strengths and weaknesses/power spikes and so on.
So my questions are:
What's varus's playstyle how should I be playing him? (On-Hit and/or Lethality) (Example: Poke and all in, scale and hyper carry, play aggressive in early)
What supports synergize well with Varus?
What's better Lethality or On-Hit and should I go either one in certain situations?
What runes should I be taking?
What items are Varus's best power spikes? (On-Hit and/or Lethality)
How should I play Varus if I'm behind?
What supports/ADC's hard counter Varus and/or what team comps should I absolutely not take him into/against
Thank you Varus players in advance I appreciate anybody who helps ^-^
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Irelia support guide

Go aftershock and precision in second, take full tenacity runes and here is your build : botrk into crio gauntlet / chemtank into full tank. If you feel like you are not going to win lane / have gold, just go solary 2nd item and if the match up is HORRIBLE, go solary 1st item (very not recommended tho).
Your lane power spike are lvl 2,3 and 6. If you land e and your adc has arms and a brain, u just destroy the 2v2 when u power spike. Care lvl 1 not to get poked or cheesed because u are going to be very disapointed Also try to keep your support item to stack your passive when all in, knowing that the item DOES proc on your q ( both gold and extra damages) In late game stick to your adc and engage fights, like a Nautilus or a leona would. Once you are in the melee use your w and tank everything. Don't forget to Land e on tanks so it proc After shock.
Perma ban one of those champs depending on your adc match up (Ask him): Samira, my personal perma ban. Just broken w u CAN NOT land e on her if she has more than 10 games on her champion. Ashe, if u miss Ur e when engage she slow u and u take Bagdad. Ezreal, just ezreal things u know 15 cd flash, counters u by poke, dodge your e and annoying in general.
Here are my personal favorite sup/adc combos : Ezreal and Lucian because they are good to follow your engages and have nice early damages, nice synergy. Jhin, long range and w Root to follow. Very effective too. Kai sa, high short trade burst damage and if you get her fed the game is over basically. Also helps u to scale into late game, your weakness. Samira, just. Samira. The BEST combo u can have with irelia support.i dont even have to explain why but lvl 3 and 6 power spike with her are SOOOOOO fucking huge and if she is fed (what she will most likely to be if she lanes with you) she will just DESTROY the game. Perfect combo perfect synergy. Approved and recommended. I don't recommend to play with caitlyn and varus, for some obvious reasons.
I think this is all i had to say so first thanks if you have read all this, i recommend you to try her out in normal games following my guide, and if you like that early lane carry/late game engage tank gameplay and if you find something to add in build, you can do it right below in comments. Also i found out it was a really good way to train to Land e on multiple enemies so if you want to train that you can play her support. If u found out something wrong or if you didn't understand something i said, you can also say it in comments. I don't sell irelia support as a meta support but she is definitely viable imo and in normal games it is a good champion to have fun with friends.
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Team Comp / Counterpicking for a beginner

Hi all,
I'm a fairly new returning player to League of Legends - I played ages ago (~2014) when I was a teen and have taken the game up again. I'm maining ADC and I'm comfortable playing a small pool of 3 champions - Ashe, MF, and Varus. My question is, how do I go about deciding which one to play in a given game? I know that team composition and counterpicking are considerations, but I feel like I don't know enough about all the different champions to know things like "Oh, they picked Draven, that means I should pick ________ to counter him". What are the basics of team comp and counterpicking I should be aware of with these 3 champions in particular, and how can I learn more so that I can make more nuanced decisions in champ select?
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Player/Analyst Tweets & Other Things - PLAYOFFS - TSM vs C9

edit2: Added Parth's Tweet!
edit: Added DL new tweet and Leena's dm tweet

GG CLOUD9!! WELCOME TO WORLDS BOYS!!! TWO LONG YEARS!!! GG!!!!!!!

Congratulations to @Bjergsen on winning Player of the Series for the 2020 #LCS Summer Playoffs series between @TSM and @Cloud9! #TSMWIN

Priority: TSM/C9 Player Tweets > Interview Notes > Tweets
Also, during Game Analysis will be MOSTLY Kobe/Flowers. I ain't missing Kobe/Flowers for this game.

PRE-SERIES

TSM Subroza
  • Will be cheering for our LoL team tmr (today), lets hope they bring the dub that we couldn't get for the fam today! 🤙 #TSM
  • TSM Dellzor: TSM 3-0
TSM Reginald:
  • TSMWIN

  • MaxOlivo: reginald
FLY Santorin:
  • I expect similar bangers today @Cloud9 vs @TSM! Don't disappoint us
  • Cloud9: As per request, a 3-0 is coming just for you
  • Pepe.jpeg
Cloud9 (Twitter):
  • No silver scrapes tommorow please (after the TSMA series yesterday)
TSM Myth:
  • Coach Myth LoL TSM Viewing party tomorrow (today). Kinda nervous to branch the character out of Valorant. But we'll try it and see what happens. :)
TSM Smak:
  • The last NA spot for Worlds is on the line today. TSM vs C9. Damn this is hype! #TSMWIN
TSM Treatz:
  • Banger series starting soon vs. C9, everyone is confident and ready Folded hands GIVE US YOUR ENERGY AND LET'S GO TO WORLDS
C9 Vulcan:
  • Gulag finals today o7
  • Cloud9 (Twitter): Let's go, Sir. Thomas Kench! #C9WIN
  • Empyre (EG Analyst): Can't wait to watch you eliminate TSM from a Worlds spot 2 years in a row!
C9 Reapered:
  • #C9WIN
Team Liquid (Twitter):
  • Hey @TSM and @Cloud9 , let's see some games like those. #LEC (referencing the bo5 between g2 fnc)
Royal Never Give Up (Twitter):
Kobe:
Markz:
Parth Interview:
  • Gonna be close, Zven/Blaber have really stepped it up. They're the two key players.
  • Had to change identity a couple of times towards the end of the split.
  • Biofrost was brought in for the pre-built synergy and playoff experience. Treatz is a really great player both in mechanics and leadership. We can flex both during this match.
  • Whoever is more explosive between us two will come out ahead. Confidence with Playmaking is the C9 & TSM team identity. Slow and methodical is TL's.

GAME 1

DURING DRAFT

LS & Max & SK Crownshot
  • Max: Cloud9 shouldn't ban Cait on their side, TSM shouldn't ban Tahm on their side.
  • Max: Guesses TSM ban Yuumi to prevent Ezreal Yuumi after the first 3 picks.
  • Max: Cloud9 should be picking GP after TSM's bans.
  • LS: Why are C9 picking Kindred? Why are they blinding Sett?? Also why Lucian when Akali is up?? Noooooooo. Akali is the best pick here for TSM.
  • LS: TSM is going to win
  • Crownshot: Ezreal into Senna is good. Predicts C9 to win for this specific game. Trust's LS granny to predict the TSM win for the series. Ezreal should have a field day against TSM's comp.
Kien:
  • twisted fate is a great pick for bjergsen because he can turn his enemies into wards too to pair with his ward teammates
Rogue Esports:
  • If @TSM has million numbers of fan i am one of them . if @TSM has ten fans i am one of them. if @TSM have only one fan and that is me . if @TSM has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth . if world against the @TSM , i am against the world. #LCS
Azael:
  • TSM saving C9 fans w/ the Yuumi ban 🤣
Pastrytime:

DURING GAME (Mostly Kobe & Flowers not missing Kobe Flowers for this game. sorry. )

RUNES
  • Kobe: Spica has full control of the jungle (3:40) because every single lane has priority after that level 1 victory.
  • Kobe: Trading flashes level 1 is a huge for the Lucian/Sett Lane (for Lucian).
  • Kobe: The willingness of TSM to go champs that they've received flack for is nice to see (Spica Graves, DL Senna)
  • Flowers: People wanted to see Blaber on a carry but he is down 2 levels to Spica at 13:40.
  • Flowers: TSM not only win the teamfight, but get both neutral objectives. (~17:30)
  • Kobe: C9 can still make a huge comeback if they can get a teamfight where TSM aren't able to kite back like they did in the herald fight. (~18:40)
  • Kobe/Flower: TSM's wards save lives. If they didn't have that ward in the brush behind 1st bot turret then that would've been 300g for C9.
  • Flowers: Facecheck from Zven costs them the Baron.
LS & Co:
  • "TSM TSM TSM" 17min TSM win herald fight.
  • LS/Max: Bjerg's TP during the Baron fight was really cool. He could've walked but he knew that he'd have the MS from TP to be able to catch Kindred (Baron fight)
Myth:
  • Zven... how are you doing zero damage in that fight. (Baron fight) your TP does damage. (his blink)
  • Chat: What does Sett do?
  • "ya know... uhh one sec... uh.. OOOH BB WITH THE TRADE"
  • anyways Sett... he's a great character... that's what ya gotta know... does a lot of different things for the team... pressure... damage.. poke... simple LOL
Reginald:
  • Ty for the carry @Biofrostlol (~28 min)
Azael:
  • No hard engage for Galio to follow up on means TSM can kite out these fights so well - unless C9 can find flanks it's gonna be incredibly difficult to close the gap before TSM focuses down Galio.
    TSM Dunc:
  • Not saying anything. No jinx. No bm. But lovely first game.

POST GAME 1

POST GAME STATS
Rogue Tomislav (GM):
  • I am so split rn - TSM wins we get to meme at worlds, but if C9 wins I get to hang out with @Nisqylol again. Hard decisions.
TSM SmaK:
FLY Solo:
  • C9 fans sweating right now
Meteos:
  • Doublelift first senna win POGGERS
Markz:
  • Doublelift wins his first Senna game. Long overdue, his last loss on it in the regular season was actually pretty good.
LS:
  • I think if C9 freeze here it's the correct line
  • Voyboy: Yup, the math checks out
  • Cloud9: pain
  • Shakarez: wtf it just insta banged?
  • C9A Diamond: this tweet just broke the stratosphere
  • Azael: There's not even a tower, dragon or baron for TSM to take here... TSM wouldn't have any response to the C9 freeze.
Lolesports Stats:
Empyre:
  • C9 please stop picking Ezreal, that champion is useless. Play utility ADC and pick better champs for 3v3 top or this series is doomed.
Azael:
  • TSM looking really good in game 1. C9 gonna be SWEATIN after that one, but honestly super surprised that C9 went Ezreal after Zven talking about how they realized they need their bot lane to have agency to be successful in his interview last week. SWAP IT UP!
Crumbz:
Kobe:
  • Doublelift has officially broken the Senna curse and is now 1-5 on the champion for his career!! 😲

GAME 2

DURING DRAFT

LS:
  • LS: Shen B1 is really weird from TSM. C9 could just get GP or Vlad but they might be traumatized. Shen can flex to support.... and jungle.
  • LS: Hecarim ban makes no sense from C9. Should've been another support ban. Hecarim doesn't want to be with Ashe/Azir. You want a Hecarim to walk into Lilia/Senna.
  • LS: TSM first 3 picks are bad but they're getting bailed out by C9's draft. Xerath/Ziggs would've countered TSM's.
  • LS: Both teams drafted terribly. TSM wanted to draft long range into Lilia/Senna but instead they opt for mid-range.
  • Reginald in chat: advertising Blitz app
Max: Can pivot shen support, Azir top, Draven mid in an ideal world against C9's comp.

DURING GAME (Kobe & Flowers)

RUNES
  • Kobe: Zven's playstyle matches Senna really well. He also had a good eye for Senna's W angles.
  • BB attacks the wave to get level 2 for taunt for Spica's great level 2 gank.
  • Flowers: Now that Blaber is on Graves, he is the one with the 2 level lead this game (17min)
  • Kobe: Infernal fight at ~18min is interesting. Cloud9 get the kills and TSM gets the objectives. (Herald dies w/o charging and they steal infernal)
Azael:
  • Vulcan is there EVERY time someone on C9 gets caught it feels like, this man is looking TK seem straight BUSTED. (~19min)
  • Tim Sevenhuysen: Definitely. And look how good Nisqy looks when he's playing for himself instead of just being an enabler. Adds so much flexibility to C9.
  • LOL Spica safeguarding the Senna W right on to Ashe... Doublelift just got SOLD OUT(~23min)
Akaadian:
  • pretty sure vulcan is the most 1v9 tahm kench ive ever seen (~19min)
Empyre:
  • Amazing level 1 opening by TSM using ward over herald/baron pit to sneak C9's red buff and go for an unexpected level 2 gank top. GREAT STUFF
  • Tim Sevenhuysen: Unclear whether sarcastic.
Malaclypse:
  • Told you not to play Lillia vs Shen if enemy team plays for Shen's lane she is omega doomed lvl 2 (level 2 gank)
  • One of the not so obvious habits that I see in every single team in NA is peoples unwillingness to just die when they are dead and end up killing half their team trying to stay alive. (~23min when Spica W'd to DL with Senna W)
Markz:
  • Sick level 1 by Spica to dodge the defensive counter invade ward by C9 and setup a level 2 cheese top gank.
  • Tim Sevenhuysen: Even with him avoiding that ward though, Licorice was extending way too far for any kind of top side start from enemy Jungler, no? Ganking from river still would've made him Flash, have to think.
  • Not at all. There is no other clear where you are threatened at that point and they dodged the level 1 ward. You're playing ranged lane bully, you need to press advantage level 1. Thinking Licorice should be defensive there is really hindsight bias.
LS:
  • When Licorice TPed back, Lee should've went back to top. (after the successful level 2 gank)

POST GAME

POST GAME STATS
Empyre
  • Why does TSM keep hard contesting these drakes when they're so much weaker and should wait for the item spikes <.<
  • Legit 3 dragons in a row lol
Meteos:
  • It seems like Senna is going to be a big pick for this series, I'm interested to see how both teams adapt to it. Do you ban senna? First pick it? Maybe ban away the Tahm Kench so it's more punishable?? We'll have to see
Cloud9 (Twitter):
Veigarv2:
  • alright 1-1 series, time to restrategize with coach @TSM_Myth for the next one lads ! XD
Azael:
  • Over 500k already watching TSM vs C9! Our #LCS fans SHOWING UP! Hope we can go 5 games! LET'S GOOOO!
  • For how much Licorice was focused & put behind in the early game - he was really smurfing team fights on Lillia! Nice segment from the AD highlighting some of his huge impact this game.
Kien:
  • now THATS the @blaber that won MVP. what a huge performance from him to tie up the series. that's the kind of game where you get +4 honors for sure.

GAME 3

DURING DRAFT

LS & Sanchovies/Max/Crownshot
  • LS: Sett B1 for Cloud 9 is losing
  • LS: Ezreal counterpicked himself. Ziggs/Jinx/Varus are good alternatives.
  • Both teams seem to be drafting in isolation rather than for comp. Rakan pick is awkward.
  • Thinks Lucian is a bad final pick for TSM.
TSM seem to be focusing on drafting comfort again. (Strat they used Games 3-5 in the GG series)
Predictions: TSM win draft.
Myth:
  • According to this composition... if we play accordingly... we dominate.
  • This composition is very unforgiving... we gotta play chess and make sure they're playing checkers.... then take it home.
Malaclypse:
  • TSM 3 prio lanes + evelynn holy moly the draft gap can be seen from neptune
  • Veigarv2: :D
  • Intergalactic astronomically turbo smurf
  • Veigarv2: astro giga omega turbo bazooka insane draft vs enemy ikea draft

DURING GAME (Kobe & Flowers)

  • Flowers: TSM are still ahead by 1k despite being even in kills (~5min)
  • Kobe: This is why they picked Rek'sai, he's the best champ to gank top lane. (BB dies 2nd time to Blaber)
  • TSM are down 4 ults so they give C9 the 3rd drake. Critical that Eve has her ult for team fights. (~18)
  • Flowers: Look at the inventory on licorice, you got a hoodie, a special armor shirt, a lid to a bucket and a pirate sword. none of this is going to carry the game (20:35)
  • Kobe: The kiting from TSM is really impressive, you can tell that they've been practicing these types of cops (Ocean soul fight win for TSM)
  • Rek'sai/Sylas pick was intelligent. Spots out Spica and Sylas can steal very key ults.
Shakarez:
  • If Blaber had Hail of Blades there he would've killed Rakan just saying (Rakan/TF/Eve vs Rek'sai/Bard/Sylas early fight)

POST GAME

POST GAME STATS
TSM Treatz:
  • 1 more game
TSM Dunc:
  • SOMEONE GET ME THAT GIF OF PETER TOUCHING BIOFROST PLEASE.
MaxOlivo
  • I want Bjergsen to step on me
IWD:
  • Bjergsen literally looks like an alien in these games, actually from a different planet than the rest of these players
  • I can't comprehend Licorice's items please man someone explain
Fionn:
  • bjergsen is good at league of legends
Empyre:
  • Watching Sett build Cutlass and sit on it for most of the game was pain. Boris is winning the LCS this year.
TSM (Twitter):
Cloud9 (Twitter):
GG Huhi:
  • how good is bjerg :O
LS:
Yassuo:
  • Bjergsen really wants to go to Worlds
  • Boris: He even defeated me man... My man is too op
Empyre:
  • Stop picking Ezreal. Higher prio on Senna since you don't play Ashe (?). Ban TF. Just weird draft from C9 that is worse in teamfights and in sidelaning. Only banking on Bard/Reksai creating unnatural early game advantages (yet TSM still won those skirmishes and got a level 1 off)
Caedrel:
  • bjergsen is legit solo carrying his team through this playoffs almost every game its crazy
JacobWolf:
  • Why does Licorice keep buying BotRK and Blaber with Cleaver? No tanks from TSM and they have a ton of range. #LCS
Veigarv2:
  • TSM So close to worlds.... So close.......... 1 more win!
  • If your strategy to beat evelynn is to pick Reksai you might aswell just pick Warwick, his W tracks evelynn, his Q follows her R, he can easily kill her at most stages of the game. Evelynn after her buffs especially is rlly strong in duels early game and reksai is so flip here
Kien:
  • and THIS was the @Bjergsen that could win MVP. 25 stack mejai TF with no zhonyas. pure dmg. huge guts. rest of tsm smiling after win and he just applies chapstick lmao.
Azael:

GAME 4

DURING DRAFT

LS w/ Max, Crownshot, Nemesis, Sanchovies
  • LS: Why is Cloud9 on Red side??? Loser chooses so why red?
  • LS: :OOO OOOH!! In reponse to the Skarner pick. Protect comp!!!
  • Crown: Yeah they heard me say that a protect comp is good into Evelynn... but why Rakan??
  • LS: Yeah Rakan is bad... but at least C9 picked Tahm into it.
  • Nemesis/Sanch: Sylas is pretty good for C9 here. Good ults to steal. (Post 6 picks)
  • Nemesis: LB bans?? whyyy Zil is good into Evelynn
  • LS: Ashe is bad but Varus is good.
  • Nemesis: Nah, Atk speed varus is bad.
  • THERE IS IS. ZILEAN.
  • Crownshot: Good draft by TSM
  • LS: Malphite would've been a good last pick for Cloud9
  • LS: Gotta use the bathroom after seeing C9's draft. TSMWIN
GG Inero:
Azael:
  • Playing Eve into Skarner Zilean is an absolute nightmare. Trying to assassinate people through Zilean revive + Skarner point and click lock down is incredibly difficult for a squishy assassin. TSM is low dmg but dunno if it matters vs squishy C9 comp!

DURING GAME

  • Flowers: TP advantage goes to TSM but C9 does have a Tahm Kench so that swings over to C9 post level 6
  • Kobe: Post-6 is very scary for top lane (Wukong/Eve).
  • Kobe: Early serrated dirk for BB is huge. (~5min) Killed Licorice twice. Ruins the whole post-6 scariness of the Eve/Wukong combo.
  • Kobe: Bjergsen takes two lives and saves one! (fight at enemy blue ~14)
  • Flowers: Bjerg is doing some great chiropractor work.
  • Kobe: This is looking inevitable.. (TSM going 3 for 1 enemy red side + dragon)
  • Kobe: Early leads and early lane priority were essential for C9's comp. This is what it looks like when that doesn't pan out (~19:20 4.1k gold lead for TSM)
  • Flowers: C9 trying to staunch the bleeding by continually attacking BB with Eve/Wukong. (~20min)
  • Cloud9 think taking the dragon for the jungler's life was worth but TSM transition that death into Baron.
  • WELCOME BACK TO WORLD'S TSM. THE YOUNGEST PLAYER IN LCS: SPICA. MAKES IT TO WORLDS.
Meteos:
  • LICORICE???? (~5min)
Markz:
  • Good thing Licorice saved his flash for the next ga- hm. (5min)
Rogue Tomislav:
  • Rogue vs TSM Rogue vs TSM Rogue vs TSM Rogue vs TSM Rogue vs TSM Rogue vs TSM @Rogue vs @TSM IS IT HAPPENING AT #Worlds2020 (5min)
YamatoCannon
  • Game is lost Bjergson Brokenbobo and Spica topside too strong (~6min)
Empyre:
  • You can't give C9 the excuse anymore that MAYBE they will click for Worlds and be good again. It's been 2 months. They do not deserve Worlds. (~10min)
Azael:
  • This is a rough game to go out on for Licorice if TSM wins this one. (~10min)
  • Cloud9 getting a lot of picks on Jayce, but will have to continue to find even more if they want to have a chance in this game. Eve just can't fight near Zilean which means they have very few options in team fights.
JacobWolf:
  • Going to be rough if Cloud9 doesn't qualify for Worlds after such a smashing spring and part of summer. But gotta give a lot of credit to Broken Blade, Bjergsen and Spica this series. Really well played top side of the map from TSM. #LCS
Veigarv2:
  • WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLDSSSSSSSSSSSSSS (TSM at Nexus)
  • Empyre: grats mr veigarv2
  • falling behind vs a skarner team always feels so fking bad, the qss tax stings extra hard..

POST SERIES

INTERVIEW WITH BJERGSEN

  • Hasn't hit me yet. Doesn't hit till you head off to China and start practicing. Really excited to play against other mid laners
  • This match was about understanding the weakness of the enemy champs. TF with rapid fire and swifties really enables other champs because of the massive range stun.
  • Getting Zven off Senna was big. They really should've first picked it. With TF I feel really comfortable and he has a lot of agency. Allows me to lead the team and shotcall the mid game.
  • Not that much pressure here since we're not in the studio with fans. These elimination matches are really the peak of competition
  • Everyone has been only thinking about Worlds. FLY/TL are strong and are the two teams they've been scrimming. It's just going to come down to execution. It's all about who plays better on the day. Everyone in the top 3 can take it.

INTERVIEW WITH SPICA

  • Really good feeling reaching his goal of qualifying for worlds. Nice playing with his teammates
  • Was really rough in the beginning as a rookie. Had to learn a lot. Made tons of mistakes due to inexperience. Really wants to thank the fans for giving him time to develop.
  • Synergy is great with Bjergsen because they play a lot of solo queue together
  • Lots of trust in him. People trust him with new picks, shot calls, knowing what he is doing.
  • Doesn't matter who he faces. He's confident in both match ups.

POST GAME TWEETS

TSM

BrokenBlade:
  • WE ARE GOING TO WORLDS MOTHERFUCKERSSSSSS #TSMWIN
Spica:
  • WE’RE GOING TO WORLDS
Bjergsen:
  • Worlds 😊 😊 😊 but we still have a job to finish in NA.
  • Cloud9: Congratulations, Søren! Do us proud.
Doublelift:
  • FUCK YEA WE GOING TO WORLDS 😊 my senna curse deactivated just in the nick of time
  • yo where did all the haters go btw? i miss reading their tweets but they all went silent pretty fast
  • Dunc: IM SO F PROUD
  • Treatz: Headshot
Biofrost:
  • WE'RE GOING TO WORLDS LETS GOOOOOOO
Treatz:
  • WORLDS BABYYYYY #TSMWIN
  • My God @Biofrostlol with the Rakan clinic today too, impressed with the performance Everyone showed up today when it mattered the most 🙏🏻
Parth:
  • It's been a really difficult year, but I'm so happy that we made finally made it back to worlds.
  • For those commenting, the drafts were @JoshMabreyBaby 's concoctions. Show him some love and ask him about his art.
  • Inero: Hey Josh Mabrey, I learned everything I know about painting from your website. Can I please commission a piece from you??
  • TSM Josh Mabrey: I'm currently working on a beautiful piece I'd like to call "thresh into Morgana"
  • Treatz: Ah a timeless classic
  • Malaclypse: It's grieftastic
  • PapaSmithy: Know it was a lot of hard work, congrats!
  • Jatt: Congrats man
(Twitter bio says he is a coach for Academy but I think he's been helping the main team for awhile)
TSM (Twitter):
Reginald:
  • GG WP @Cloud9 Much better team play. Bio was a rock
  • Veigarv2: Alot more consistant play this series
Myth:
  • WE GETTIN KBBQ AND BOBA. WE GOIN TO WORLDS.
TSM Subroza:
  • TSM TSM TSM
TSM Smak:
Dunc:
  • I love you so hecking much @TSM
TSM Wardell:
  • TAKE ME WITH YOU!
TSM Leffen:
  • tsm babyy
TSM Leena:
TSMA Lost:
  • TSM FOR WORLDS LETS GOOOO #TSMWIN
TSM TannerSlays:
  • LET'S GO!! @TSM #TSMWIN
TSM Andrew White:
  • I get to direct a Worlds episode of TSM Legends...
Lustboy:
  • my heart is still numb. just happy to see what my players earned what they deserved
  • @Rogue come mid 5man and we'll teach you a good lesson
TSM Max Olivo:
  • My boy @TSMAndrew finally gets to make a Worlds episode of TSM Legends!
  • TSM Seazer (Edit Assistant): Without me. 😭#Seazer4Worlds
  • How fast would you pre-order?
TSM Report:
TSMA Dhokla:

CLOUD 9

C9 Licorice:
  • This is not how we wanted this season to end. Missing Worlds hurts for me, my teammates and the entire C9 org. Knowing how well we played earlier this season, missing out on an MSI and now being the first C9 team to miss worlds is crushing.
  • We will need to take some time and really identify what went wrong down the stretch. To all the fans - thank you so much for all the support. C9 will come back stronger for you.
  • Azael: You'll bounce back strong! Rough end after an extremely impressive start to the year, but it doesn't change how talented you are as an individual.
GL next year!
C9 Blaber:
*
C9 Nisqy:
  • Im so heartbroken and sad that it ended this way, sorry😔 Good luck @Bjergsen
  • Broxah: 💖
C9 Zven
C9 Vulcan
  • Sorry to the C9 fans.. gl to our NA teams at worlds, they deserve it
C9 Reapered (Coach):
C9 Jack (Owner):
  • GG and Congrats to @TSM . You guys played incredible and I've no doubt you will represent our region well at worlds. Although we lost today I'm proud of the effort my team has put into this year. Give some love to the team as I'm sure they need it right now. #LCS
  • I want to take a moment to thank our incredibly hard working staff who took care our the team through this difficult year. The challenges we faced keeping our players happy and healthy through quarantine has taken a huge amount of effort and they never wavered or complained. 💖
C9 (Twitter):
  • Best of luck! Represent NA well. #TSMWIN
  • For the first time ever, Cloud9 will not participate in the League of Legends World Championship. Congratulations @TSM , you earned the spot. Best of luck at #Worlds2020!
  • We would like to take a moment to thank and appreciate everyone who tagged along with us this year. 2020 is over for us. We had wonderful moments and nothing could have been done without our staff, team, sponsors, and fans (#C9Fam). Thank you and see you in 2021. #C9WIN
  • C9 Mateus(Social Media): and with this tweet, i'll go cry for the rest of the day be safe and thanks for all the overwhelming support
C9 Inori:

OTHERS

GeT_RiGhT:
  • To see TSM qualifying to Worlds made me happy, congrats @Bjergsen 🥳 but what’s up with the quality of the stream tho... LEC so much better
Sjokz:
  • Holy shit TSM
  • Holy sad C9 :(
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • If TSM play like they did today, they can beat both TL and FLY. Favourites? Maybe not; need to see how those teams perform tomorrow. But TSM are in their best form of Summer right now.
MCES Kubz:
  • C9's 2nd half of Summer Split is such a tragedy after being NA's top team for almost the entirety of 2020.
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • FWIW, TSM's top side pressure with Jayce and Lucian is exactly what I wanted them to do against GG, I just didn't think Licorice would be even more susceptible to it than Hauntzer+Closer were.
Fionn:
  • TSM IS GOING TO WORLDS @Bjergsen IS BACK
  • yo riot, you better rig it for Rogue vs TSM at Worlds It's finally time
  • I interviewed @Bjergsen last week for a Worlds feature I asked him how it'd feel to make it back after so many years He said it didn't matter if TSM made it Worlds He only said it really matters if they do damage when they get there
Locodoco:
  • Being pro is brutal. TSM peaked at the right time. It's euphoric for those who make it and heart crushing for those who didn't. It's not an easy career choice and I hope fans think twice before leaving nasty comments towards C9 today #LCS
Phreak:
  • I always knew C9 would go undefeated at Worlds this year.
G2 Perkz:
  • nooooooo feeelsbadman for zven :(((((((
Kobe:
  • This means @TSM vs @Rogue is actually on! #Worlds When memes come to life :O
  • What a reversal of fates after the way this year has gone for both teams. GG WP both @TSM and @Cloud9 and welcome back to Worlds TSM!
Kien:
  • everyone else: YESSS TSM bjergsen: thinking about his back
  • Can't believe it. 35-2 to missing Worlds. Congrats to @TSM for making it back to Worlds for the first time in three years. Bjergsen adds to a mid lane pool that may be single most stacked position in Worlds history.
Azael:
  • North America has our 3 Worlds representatives! @FlyQuest @TeamLiquid @TSM We head to Worlds as underdogs this year, but hoping our teams can pull off some upsets & show a strong performance!
  • TSM secure Worlds & advance to the lower bracket finals! This will be their first appearance since 2017 when they last had the Doublelift / Bjergsen combo. Bjergsen is looking like he's in some of the best form of his career lately - exciting to see how far TSM can go!
  • I'll always feel bad for the teams around the World who missed out on MSI this year. We'll never know how Cloud9 would've done if they played internationally at their peak level. Covid obviously affected so much more than League, but it's a missed experience so many players.
Shakarez:
  • RGE VS TSM RGE VS TSM RGE VS TSM RGE VS TSM RGE VS TSM
Empyre:
  • Grats to TSM and Bjergsen for making Worlds after 2 years! The meta shifted in their favor midplayoffs, they realized it and they took full advantage it vs. GG and C9. Well prepped and well played.
Zikz:
  • Crazy to see @Cloud9 's fall from grace after such a dominant spring split and what looked like a repeat at the start of summer. Heartbreaking for them, but TSM looked far better on the day and that's all that counts.
Meteos:
  • Wow TSM actually beat C9 and advance to worlds. Definitely deserved from the way they stepped up during playoffs. Can't help but to feel a bit sad for C9 though...
LS:
  • Congrats to @TSM for making worlds. Always believed
  • TSM: Send out thanks to Grandma.
Flowers:
  • It's been 2 years in the making, but welcome back to Worlds, @TSM ! All my respect to fellow scorpion brother @Spicalol 🦂🦂🦂
FLY Santorin:
  • Can't really believe C9 won't be going to worlds after such an amazing performance all year long up until a couple of weeks ago. Huge congrats to @TSM for never giving up and looking stronger than ever this year
Markz:
  • Massive congrats to TSM. It was a hard road in the losers bracket, roster swaps, reverse sweeps, but in the end make worlds. Super convincing game 4 cement their spot as NA's final seed.
Voyboy:
  • Crazy that the last NA Worlds spot came down to what I always thought would be two of our top teams, C9 and TSM. Hurts for C9 considering how insane they were most of this year but TSM absolutely earned it when it counted most. GGs
Crumbz:
  • The biggest takeaway from TSM is Doublelift's willingness to play weak side and Broken Blade/Spica/Bjerg delivering Taking the knee because it's what the meta demands is an evolution in character and a healthy sign for a continuing career
Vedius:
  • It's official. @TSM and @Rogue will both be at worlds. I legit can't wait this has to happen.
  • Sjokz: Holy shiiiiiit
TL Jatt:
  • Wtf C9 isn't going to Worlds... One of the most shocking falls, from 17-1 spring split champs, to 9-0 Summer split start.. to 4th. Actually can't believe it
  • Getting serious 2016 Immortals flashbacks... Obviously, you have to win the games when it matters most to qualify, but I can't help but feel for this C9 group. They crushed almost every team in NA for 8 months and now they don't get to represent the region at Worlds.
Pastrytime:
  • The other side of how much it sucks for C9 is not lost on anyone and it's awesome to see so many fans console the losing team today too. For me, @blaber has still been among the best junglers in the #LCS and it sucks his season ends this way. Almost back-to-back MVP to this.
  • But also, this is how competition works. We all know C9 will be back with a vengeance, but not today.
Excel Esports:
  • . rt: TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM
Malaclypse:
  • TSM clearly improved and played well in this series, nothing to take away from them. But man, what happened to C9? Is confidence gap that large? If you told me in spring that C9 wasn't going to worlds I would have laughed in your face until you left LA
  • Tim Sevenhuysen: Seems like as soon as the C9 confidence armour got cracked, they started searching for different styles to play and questioning themselves and other teams started pushing them harder. Never recovered. I had faith that they would. Disappointing, for sure.
Travis Gafford:
  • I called this shit on Hotline League. Pretty sure I was the only one I know who thought TSM was gonna win this. I just gained a lot of confidence in them when they had the comeback against GG and didn't feel like EG gave C9 too many points.
  • Markz: "Let's just send C9 to worlds early." -Travis Gafford, mid summer split 2020
Yassuo:
  • Deserved Worlds for @Bjergsen and @TSMBrokenBlade after last year and this year. Absolutely deserved.
Lolesports Stats:
  • With that game, @TSM are now tied with @FNATIC for most Worlds appearance at 8 total. @Cloud9 snap their consecutive Worlds streak at 7 - tying TSM for the most back-to-back Worlds appearances.
KiwiKid:
  • My boy @Biofrostlol had to play one the hardest roles TWICE and crushed it. Solo Tank Rakan. Had no xayah for longer w range too. LETS GOOOOOOOO #LCS
Scarra:
  • Beating Bjerg's Zilean isn't possible. sorry
TL Dodo:
  • Doublelift was right, Spring split didn't matter
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Player/Analyst Tweets & Other Things - PLAYOFFS - TSM vs TL

Edit: If I missed anyone let me know. Done for today! See you tomorrow everyone!
Edit2: More TL Tweets!

GG TL! WOOOO

BJERGSEN PLAYER OF THE SERIES

POTS link
IWD & Bjergsen on MVP for that series:
Priority: TSM/TL Players/Org Tweets > Interview Notes > Tweets

PRE-SERIES

TSM BrokenBlade
TSM (Twitter):
  • #TSMWIN
    • LS: Yes
  • IT'S A BIG GAME DAY
    • TSM Halifax: TSM TSM TSM
TSM Andrew White (TSM Legends Director)
TSM Treatz:
TSM Smak:
  • Every week has another awesome series to look forward to. TSM vs TL is surely going to be crazy. #TSMWIN
Kobe:
Shakarez (Predictions Last Night)
  • TSM 3 - 1 TL. TSM has momentum and I was very unimpressed by TL in their series vs FLY which should've been a 3-1 loss.
Fionn:
  • A group that can actually happen at Worlds: Damwon, JDG, G2, TSM
Analyst Desk (Missed most of it)::
TL Draft Strategy:
  • Secure CoreJJ Counterpick
  • Utility bot lane champ
  • Non-volatile early game
  • Front to back teamfighting
TSM Draft:
  • Secure top lane counterpick
  • Blind mid lane champ for Bjergsen
  • Speed pace of the game
  • No dragon stacking
Predictions:
  • Crumbz: TSM 3-1 | Pr0lly TSM 3-2 | Markz TSM 3-2
Tim Sevenhuysen:
Rogue:
  • The Riot Script wanted us to lose because @TSM will win #LCS. We tried our best to fight it but they really want us in the same #Worlds2020 group.
Goldenglue:
  • Predictions: TL 3-2 TSM but tbh I would prefer to watch TSM vs FLY then TL vs FLY again
Dash:
  • TSM 3-1 is my call today! Would love a full 5 game series though :)
Team Liquid (Twitter):

GAME 1

DURING DRAFT

LS w/ Shrimp & Crownie:
  • LS: Doesn't like that TL pick Ashe into Senna.
  • Crownie: Agrees. It's not good.
  • LS: Vel'koz would've been a great pick for TL in place of Azir
  • LS: TSM have a very cookie cutter comp.
  • LS: AP Kog could've been good for TL too.
  • All: TSM win draft.
IWD w/ Caedrel and Febiven :
  • Teams don't care about Akali/Irelia from TSM anymore it seems.
  • Take Senna for Ashe every time. Good for TSM
  • All: TSM hard win draft based on the first 3 picks from each side.
Empyre (Co-stream):
  • TSM should ban Cait/Kalista. Maybe throw in a jungle ban with those 2. Just copy what FLY did.
  • Post-draft: TSMWIN
  • TSM is probably more prepared to play Lucian/Eve than TL is.
TL Steve:
  • Here we go
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • TSM lane kingdom draft against TL hard-smash 5v5 comp. Up to Impact to survive the top side pressure probably. #LCS
Phreak:
  • TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM
Empyre (Twitter):
  • TL drafted fine (scaling per usual), they've been messy in the early game but as long as they reach their item points safely and follow the rules of their comp, they can win this game at 30+ mins #LCS

DURING GAME

RUNE
IWD w/ Caedrel and Febiven (don't 100% know their voices yet, correct me if im wrong)
  • IWD: TL's bot lane is losing 2v2? Okay TL just lose. This is with counterpick support (~3:30)
  • Caedrel: Leona hit box is crazy. That flew past my window and hit Ashe! (~5:20)
  • Febiven: I never built team because... the game would be lost before it was even complete :(
  • IWD: What am I watching (~9:30 Lee smite steals Harold and then doesn't kick to finish Spica, Spica then flashes in and neither die.)
  • Caedrel: Agrees, thinks Broxah could've justt one shotted Spica and got out.
  • IWD: Jensen making his presence known against Bjerg (~11:45 gets his flash). TSM have to do something with their comp. If they wait for 5v5 it might be hard.
  • IWD: What was that arrow?? Watch out Caedrel is might hit you. Caedrel: Oh, I just dodged it (~12:35 Tactical with the wide arrow in the team fight)
  • Caedrel: BB has to go in to stop the TP because he can't match it. Probably could've made it out though. (~12:35)
  • Febiven: Yeah he could've just walked to blast cone and avoided another tower shot.
  • Super clean kick flash from Broxah. TSM win anyways. Jensen died for free by saving his flash Q+E (~20)
  • Upgraded Rabadon on Jensen now.. really huge. (~31)
  • All: This fight is so bad from both sides. Especially from Impact (~32 Elder fight at mid)
  • Great flash flank by BB. Kills Lee Sin (mid fight with Elder up)
  • Caedrel: TSM's draft was crazy. GG (33min TSM win a fight at mid and get bot inhib and Baron/Elder)
  • Febiven: Impossible to play for TL at this point. Look at both comps. Azir was so bad into TSM's comp. No real front line to stop TSM from flash engaging on him. (~35 game end)
  • Febiven: They need to ban Syndra from Bjerg
  • IWD: I don't think Syndra was the issue here man...
LS w/ Crownie, Shrimp, Sanchovies
  • LS: TSM for sure win. They have my Grandmother.
  • LS: Look at Lee here... he's gonna walk up.... and leash the camp for Nidalee (Spica) lol (~6)
  • Crownie/Max: Ornn gave up bot turret for free since he walked up for Herald when he didn't need to (~16)
  • LS: Why is Tactical a null magic mantle?? Crownie: QSS? LS: QSS 2nd? He has cleanse...
  • LS: TSM are just going to play slowly for Ocean soul (~18:30)
  • Liandries for Nidalee is bad. Can't proc the enhanced passive consistently (~24:40)
  • Jensen ran it down but TSM still lose the fight since Ornn won it for them. (~25:50)
  • TSM get soul so it should be GG but TL has Ornn items. Baron shouldn't matter for TL (~26:30)
  • Shrimp: Look at Lee... (~28 Broxah in the back while TL dies in red jungle)
  • Max: Look at Lee Sin... look at him go... (replay of the fight in TSM red jungle)
  • LS: TSM win another fight but TL still has one more chance. Jensen gets deathcap and that's a huge damage spike.
LS: "TSM! TSM! TSM!" (35min TSM win)
Malaclypse:
*Ocean soul is nice but that's not killing this Ornn and I don't see TSM doing it either (TSM get soul)
  • Well I guess I saw how they kill Ornn LOL
Azael:
  • TSM has a 100% winrate with a lead of 3 dragons to 0 this split. Having a 3-0 lead forces your opponents to fight at every dragon whether they have no setup for it or not, whether they're behind on items or not & that's usually enough to close. Let's see if it holds true!
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • TSM's setback at Herald 1 probably costs them this game.
    • Empyre: Yeah it did. TSM needs to abuse their item spikes for the third drake if TL decide to force there (even though TL shouldn't and can wait till 4th drake)

POST GAME

POST GAME STATS (Damage/Gold Graph
Spica Nidalee Stats
TSM Myth:
TSM Smak:
C9 Vulcan:
  • haha how can u give bjergsen akali zoe syndra zilean irelia leblanc orianna XD
Markz:
  • TSM is really, really overhyped by the community. It's so insane to me. They're a good team, but they're not really as good as the reddit or twitter community thinks they are. (Quoting Jensen)
  • Love r5 braum when you had side selection Upside-down face Sure BB isn't guaranteed counterpick, but you give up ADC pinch by needing to ban cait. What did red give TL that they couldn't have gotten on blue? Really hated that draft by TL.
    • Azael: I understand not liking it but I also think this is about as TL of a draft as you can get. They pretty much always go for these type of heavy Frontline w/ scaling backline comps & just look to out team fight every game. Same thing they've done all split long! Seems expected.
  • That's exactly my point. You can get literally all of that on blue, while forcing TSM to pick up the cait ban and FP your own ADC and pinch DL. BLue has 60% winrate and is favored unless you do something unique. You get literally nothing out of red side and you sack power picks.
    • Azael: Yeah red side is useless for them because they do the same thing every game. Just go for power picks on blue since BB doesn't play tanks you won't get top lane counter w/ morde or GP which are the only top lane counters Impact really plays.
Azael:
  • TL: Leaves Syndra Open Bjergsen: Okay, get in.
    • Scarra: same pic when bjerg picks zil tbh
  • Same pic when Bjergsen plays league of legends this playoffs it feels like
Empyre:
  • Next game, TL should pick blue side and prio Senna. They're not a team that can make use of counterpick imo. Also makes it harder for TSM to ban everything vs. TL.
  • Alternatively, can ban Senna on blue like vs. FLY and prio Ashe. Either way blue fits them a lot better.
IWD w/ Caedrel & Febiven:
  • IWD: What can Broxah even play if they ban Lee Sin?
    • Caedrel: VolibeaGragas
TSM Dellzor:
  • TSM
TSM (Twitter):
TSM Dunc:
Phreak:
  • TSM WON GAME 1 OF A BO5. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL
    • Azael: DAVID PHREAK TURLEY HAS TWEETED THAT TSM WON GAME 1 OF A BO5. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
Amazing:
  • TSM improving this much over the course of playoffs makes me excited to see them at worlds - out of all the 3 NA teams I do think they have the highest ceiling, and I don't think they've even gotten close to fulfilling it
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • Put Broxah on Sejuani and let him throw a few ults

GAME 2

DURING DRAFT

LS w/ Crownie, Max, Sanchovies
  • LS: Lucian ban makes sense since in order to pick it Broxah needs to play a mage and he can't play carry mages in the jungle.
  • LS: Why is Ashe Thresh picked from TL? What does it do? Why not just pick a mage in the bot lane or even Varus.
  • LS: If Jensen had Blitz.gg he would dodge because he'd see that Broxah can't play anymore champs after these bans.
  • Crownie: Might be a Kha'zix angle for Broxah
  • Max: TL would've won if they picked Hecarim in place of Lee Sin last game.
  • LS: Top Kindred is really good as a last pick for TL.
Sneaky & Meteos:
  • Meteos: Looking at the team comps. TL are putting all their eggs in the Broxah basket. Everything else is utility. It's on Broxah to carry but his Hecarim looks really sketchy
    • Sneaky: Yeah it's weird to see this, Broxah isn't really the carry on the team. Doesn't really fit their playstyle. Maybe they refined it?
Empyre:
  • TL picks TF and Thresh to have more agency in the early game to play toward topside ...And then pick Ornn top (while Sett showing)! Nice! TF wants to FF his life here. Good from TSM to flex Sett top and counter Hecarim.
Goldenglue:
  • Kk nvm TSM 3-0 these drafts ain't it

DURING GAME

RUNES
Sneaky and Meteos:
  • Sneaky: Broxah kind of just farms and is never really the primary carry, which Hecarim is.
  • Surprised there wasn't a kill there at (~3:25 mid gank on Bjergsen)
  • Meteos: Olaf level 5 is so much weaker than Olaf at 6. 5 seems like a key vulnerable spot for Olaf. (~5:30)
  • Sneaky/Meteos: Working towards a TSM jungle kingdom with how Spica is playing so far (~6:30) but Olaf isn't really a late game carry like Hecarim is. Olaf is for pushing leads for other team members (early power + great at taking dragons)
  • Meteos: 7:20 Cool early sightstone technique from CoreJJ. You use a charge to take a cannon bot, and then roam mid to take the cannon there.
  • Meteos: If Thresh wasn't there, Olaf probably 2v1s there (~15:50)
  • Sneaky: TL has Ornn items for scaling but Senna/Azir is really strong late game.
  • Total disaster teamfight for TSM (~18)
  • Going to be really rough for TSM from here on out with TL's lead. Seems kind of doomed. (20:30)
  • Meteos: How can TSM even fight with this comp at this point? Olaf/BB want to go in but they're not tanky enough to survive being shredded. (~25) AziSenna can't really do anything.
  • 32 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH (BB TP)
LS w/ Crownie, Sanchovies, Max
  • Great gank from Broxah (~3:30) but he is sinning with the clear path he did.
  • LS: TSM are on track to get infernal soul but there comp doesn't use it well. (~7)
  • LS: (9:40) Why does TSM commit there? They have a ward on it? Now they're behind.
  • Max: ~12 Hard for TSM to win that specific fight because TF arrives so quickly to fights.
  • LS: ~12:20 DL sniped Broxah with ult! Actually huge! That could be drag for TSM
  • Shrimp/Max: Evelynn might've been good here for TSM. Lilia too but Evelynn is better. (~22) Chat is saying that TF is good into Eve but Eve can just one shot TF.
  • 32 OOOOOOOOOOHHHH
  • That was the best facebreaker I've ever seen (32 BB TP). Would've been huge if they aced them there.
  • Game is over, they take about trivia and the numbers in pi for the rest of the game.
Malaclypse:
  • corejj and jensen gap (~19)
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • Jensen is hard-carrying on Twisted Fate as a team fighter. Tells you a lot about his style of play! (He's ulting into fights, yes, but most of his influence has been from landing stuns and Qs.)
    • Pastrytime: Classic Really Far Cardcannon continuing to put in work that game.
Veigarv2:
  • i think spellbook tahm would be good in this game no? lane cant be that unlaneable without guardian no? having TP vs tf roams and cleanse vs ashe tf thresh is rlly big. #LCS @Biofrostlol
Azael:
  • I like seeing Jensen on something with the ability to affect the map. He's a fantastic side laner & has the ability to absolutely take over games. TL needs more players to step up and make things happen & Jensen playing TF gives him the ability to do it.
Shakarez:
  • Core J J
Empyre:
  • Two games in a row TSM throws at Herald woo.
  • they want to snowball, but they screwed it up. TL comp is better overall until maybe TSM reach 4 items.(~10min)
Gilius:
  • 3-0 TSM?
Markz:
  • LMAO DL only Senna ults for cleanup.

POST GAME

Post Game Stats
Sneaky & Meteos
  • Sneaky: Game was over... as soon as I realized TSM's comp was dog shit.
  • Meteos/Sneaky: Herald fights are always super awkward from TSM these games.
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • Anyone who was getting ready to use game 1 as evidence that Bjergsen > Jensen, make sure you weigh game 2 just as heavily. To be clear: neither player was bad in their losses; they just lacked opportunities to do anything really meaningful. Both hard-carried their wins
TSM Report:
  • We stumble in Game 2 and now look to bounce back in Game 3 as the series is even at 1-1
TL Steve:
  • We need your energy
    • Random twitter comment: would you agree that peter carried you for 2 years?
  • Fuck no
Markz:
  • TSM is really, really overhyped by the community. It's so insane to me. They're a good team, but they're not really as good as the reddit or twitter community thinks they are. (Quoting Jensen)
Empyre:
  • (in response to his draft reaction): Not cool not being able to use TF to kill Sett on sidelane because you pick tank top :/
    • Malaclypse: TF is more concerned with having the means to make a fight happen, Ornn's only mediocre with him because the 2 have relatively low damage but it's enough early on to get a kill on TF's 6

GAME 3

DURING DRAFT

Sneaky & Meteos
  • Sneaky: Cait is really strong with Lux. Good draft so far.
  • Sneaky: Voli top! It's actually pretty good.
    • Meteos: Yeah Voli is pretty nice.
  • Meteos: Sett into Voli.. that.. is kinda bad.
  • Meteos: Seems like last game... 2 bruiser, no true tank comp from TSM.
LS w/ Crownie/Max
  • TSM are going for lane kingdom with this draft so far (first 3 picks both sideS)
  • Max: What the fuck is this blind pick Voli top?
    • LS: Just pick GP. Why blind Voli?
  • Max: if you're going to pick Cait/Lux, don't pair it with Voli/Olaf.
  • LS: Voli/Sylas is one of the worst things... BUT Volibear beats Sett.
  • LS/Max: Actually would've been a decent Aatrox pick in place of Sett for TL. Jax would've been fine too.
Crownie's mic is too quiet
  • Might've picked Voli anticipating Impact's Shen.
  • All: TSM win
Markz:
  • Really smart by TL to leave up Cait/TF and force a hard choice for TSM. Either you give TL the global to shutdown carry top, or give TL the strongest ADC and make it about bot. Never thought I'd see Brokenblade on Voli, but Cait FP and TF makes it hard to play to topside for TSM

DURING GAME

RUNES
LS w/ Crownie, Sanch and Max:
  • Calls Woman to tell her to root for TL harder (her predictions work the opposite way) "Ra ra! TL!" There you go Women. TL is done for now.
  • LS: Why do Volibears keep going Grasp??? (4:30)
    • Max: Good for lane and top laners feel like they need to win the game through lane phase.
  • Crownie: DL has BF Sword and Tactical has boots and long sword.
  • LS: Sett has a better late game than Volibear. Volibear has an oppressive early/mid. Voli can beat Sett late but it depends on runes and builds.
  • LS: TSM are just... dying randomly. what?(~10)
  • Crownie/Max: TSM are pretty behind but Cait can hard carry this game (11:45) Cait up 30 cs with 3 plates.
Sneaky & Meteos:
  • Meteos: Tactical is so fucked after TSM's gank (~4) Boots long sword vs BF sword.
  • Meteos: Spica is going cinderhulk this game instead of warrior. Less of a bruiser route this game. (~7:30)
  • Meteos/Sneaky: Cait can carry, she's 30 cs up. (~12)
  • Meteos: Trinity probably not the best route for BB from behind.
    • Sneaky: Yeah he's over 1k behind. (13min)
  • Sneaky: Really risky fight from TSM at dragon. TSM's win condition is Cait and she's almost at a strong point. (~15) Also Cait didn't mean to hop the wall but it worked out and netted Jensen's flash.
  • Sneaky: Was almost really bad for TL since they're giving drag while they're stronger but TSM troll by fighting. (3rd drag)
  • Meteos: TSM's triple melee comps are pretty troll. You can't play front to back with it.
    • Meteos: The Olaf/Trundle match is also sooo trash for Olaf. You have to be so ahead to be able to do anything. (23)
  • Meteos: TL can just play slow and TSM is fucked. They can just choose not to play in chokes like TSM wants them to (~28min)
  • Sneaky: TSM are attempting to funnel Cait to save the game (29min)
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • TSM simply isn’t as good at mid-game team fighting as FlyQuest; if they try to replicate the FlyQuest formula of beating Team Liquid at bot side 5v5s, they’re unlikely to replicate FlyQuest’s results."
Gilius:
  • Doublelift plays with no cleanse vs Ashe thresh tf? Is that normal
LS:
  • tbh i think this trundle frozen heart buy is pretty sick, and super oppressive. I like that impact has pivoted into tank given the state/trajectory of the game too
    • Cloud9: Fat L for Boris today
Shakarez:
  • Watching CoreJJ is honestly such a treat man (TL 2nd Baron)
    • Azael: One of the world's best supports for sure
Santorin:
  • How broken is Trundle guys? @BroxahLoL smurfing the entire game so far (~21min)

POST GAME

Post Game Stats
TSM Smak:
Azael:
  • TL looks so much more comfortable on the map w/ TF. Broxah unlocking him to roam w/ multiple ganks early this game was such a difference maker & I think going into game 4 TSM will need to force Jensen to show them something different!
  • How you knew it was over for TSM
    • We didn't ask for this power, trust me
    • I'm secretly a TSM hater and knew I could destroy TSM. Check my closet, no TSM merch. Lots of TL merch.
Sneaky/Meteos:
  • There must be something behind the scenes that is making TSM think that these comps are good...
Markz:
  • TSM is really, really overhyped by the community. It's so insane to me. They're a good team, but they're not really as good as the reddit or twitter community thinks they are
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • Free scouting report to Bjergsen and Spica for game 4: Broxah likes to gank mid at 3:00. Try not to let him burn a free Flash this time
  • For real though, in game 3 Jensen pulled the wave so Bjergsen probably knew he could get gabled but he to decide whether it was worth losing XP from a few CS to stand back to avoid it. Good setup. But you'd like to have vision for that scenario.
Emily Rand:
  • Jensen should not be allowed TF again. He'll control the entire game with it and the pick makes up for a general lack of early proactivity from TL.
    • Empyre: it's a cheater pick for them to bypass their early game floundering. Now we'll see how the adapt that playstyle to another comp if they can.
Empyre:
  • Okay let's stop picking Olaf and stop giving TF to Jensen, yeah? The pick is good at cheating timing and getting TL to be proactive in the early game along with the Thresh #LCS
Malaclypse:
  • Please top laners of the world if you're in a draft and Volibear is being hovered and discussed to be played in top lane pull the power cord/modem ASAP I never want to see this useless sack of trash of a champ in top lane again please stop
  • You can blind pick Riven, get a dog to sit in your chair and go for a snack while the dog plays and that dog playing Riven is less of a dog champ than Volibear top, please stop

GAME 4

DURING DRAFT

RUNES
Sneaky/Meteos:
  • The Zilean pick from Jensen was something personal
  • TSM reversing their strategy from previous games and are deciding to put a top laner in the jungle
  • Meteos: It's a decent pick (Shen Jungle) Not bad clear. Slow champion though.
  • Sneaky: TL won draft.
  • Meteos: Not sure, TL is basically all AP.
Empyre:
  • Lillia+Zilean has potentially OP synergy I think with extra speed on Lillia and sleep setting up for Zilean bombs.
  • RIVER SHEN
Azael:
  • Jungle Shen is a lot of fun but it's clear is honestly so bad you're going to get completely outpaced by Lillia. If you don't fall behind early it's a great counter ganker & clear speed goes way up on cinderhulk so I'm excited to see how he does!
T1 LoL (Twitter):
  • Why is there a Shen in the Jungle
C9 Jack:
  • For @Jensen and @Impact , let’s go Liquid!
Pastrytime:
  • LILIA IS HYPE AND ALL BUT RIVER SHEN DEMANDS FIVE GAMES FOR THE PEOPLE.
Dash:
  • RIVER SHEN!!
Markz:
  • River shen.
Malaclyse:
  • River Shen
  • But how does TSM kill Ornn past 2 items
  • Besides Ornn wintrading
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • TSM need to go back to strong bot side. Been saying it for weeks now. If Broken Blade is losing lane to Impact, you're doomed. And don't let Broxah gank Bjergsen so easily. Bjergsen has to manage lane state better and Spica needs to cover him. TSM can def. bring this to 5.
  • Hm. Broken Blade can be good, and gets lane prio. Might work. But as a general approach it's not what I want from TSM. Or... support Shen? :P
  • Wait... that's not Support Shen. That's... jungle Shen?

DURING GAME

Sneaky & Meteos (LS went to bed):
  • Meteos: Spica slightly ahead of Lilia in early farm (3:30)
  • Sneaky: TSM bot lane use both summs and both die. It's not looking good for TSM (double kill bot) But Impact doesn't consider Shen ult and ults into BB to die.
  • Meteos: The way they died was really troll. It's like they forgot they were playing against Ashe by backing where they did.
  • Sneaky: Whoever goes for Herald in every game gets fucked.
  • Bjerg doesn't flash the hook and barely dies to Zil bomb. TL's comp doesn't have any damage at this point though so they just lose the team fight and dragon.
  • Sneaky/Meteos: BLOCK THE HOOK (25:40) Really troll from Spica
  • Doublelift infinitely scales. TSM has a chance
  • Jensen saving ult and face checking the bush means TSM can end the game.
  • Doublelift hard carried those last couple of fights.
Empyre:
  • TL just inted the game away for a random dragon when it was 4v5. Same mistakes over and over with the overcontest at objectives. (~15)
  • ANOTHER ONE (The DJ Khaled gif)
  • Go look at the huge wave they gave up to give up more kills to enemy at dragon (Ocean drag fight)
  • Tactical with the big flash to dodge the Shen taunt and get the teamfight win. So clutch from him.
Phreak:
  • DOUBLE KILL FOR DOUBLELIFT I NEVER DOUBTED THEM
  • GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE GAME FIVE
  • Hey, Jensen found his ultimate after three teammates died! What's with this man not using his ulti in time in bottom river? (~21)
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • Biofrost Rakan doing some work. TL aren't respecting it and he's punishing them nicely, catching Tactical in so many fights. #LCS (~20)
  • Core J J (Bjerg dies by getting hooked before drag)
Pastrytime:
  • THAT WAS NOT A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF CC (Bjerg dying before drag)
IWD:
  • ah I guess bjergsen didn't 1v9 playoffs hard enough for his teammates to want to block an ability for him unlucky
Dunc:
  • Shen + Rakan is the most busted combo in League of Legends.
Shakarez:
  • Oh shit Doublelift found Edge of Night in the shop it's over (~11min)
  • These team fights are SOOO LONG with TSM just kiting & unable to punch through thr TL Frontline + Zilean ults. TL also struggling to reach backline means it takes them so long to finish off fights & they just keep extending! HYPE GAME 4! (~33)

POST GAME 4

TSM Reginald:
  • Cool series so far. Today we beat TL with a front to back team composition in game 4. Upside-down face Hope the next game is just as close. #TSM #KeepPlaying
    • TL Steve: stfu
  • note: (they're friends guys)
TSM Treatz:
  • Bangers only
TSM Smak:
  • I might die today
Azael:
  • I wish ingame stats tracked Senna stacks because I'd love to know how that game compared to the most stacks ever gotten in a competitive game. The range Doublelift had was absolutely INSANE by the end of that game!
Tim Sevenhuysen:
  • So many narrow edges in game 4, mistakes and missed opportunities on both sides. And in the end, Bjergsen makes the clutch game-deciding pick on Jensen. Scripted. #LCS
Fionn:
  • german national team and spidermen are going to game 5
TSMA Winston
  • Damn bjerg is showing the world he shoulda been mvp and forces game 5 off these syndra stuns sheesh
  • Also s/o Ming for the crazy baron steal under all that cc
Markz:
  • TSM is really really overhyped by the community. It's so insane to me. They're a good team, but they're not really as good as the reddit or twitter community thinks they are.
  • Last game for all the marbles. Is TSM overhyped, or is "TsM oVErHyPEd"?
Crumbz:
  • Core item set from "TSM Jungling handbook - revised edition"
TSM Physmix:
  • Super carry doublelift
TSM Dunc:
  • Team Liquid continue to lose to Doublelift's Senna.
  • Don't ever lock Zilean vs Bjersgen ever again.
Pastrytime:
  • Is Senna balanced!!!!??????
  • HYPE!!! (in response to Game 5)
    • TL: 😡😡😡
TSM Dellzor:
  • TSMMMMMMMM
Raz:
  • DL can now auto from cross map
TL Steve:
  • .@LOST_TO_RIVER_SHEN KEKW
IWD:
  • Who knew that River Shen was the future for NA

GAME 5

DURING DRAFT

Sneaky & Meteos
  • AMMO SQUAD (TL picked Graves and Jhin)
  • Sneaky: Braum! Good Braum Pick from TSM
  • Meteos: They might go Skarner but then they'd be really low damage. Kindred/Lilia maybe.
  • Sneaky: Shen/Zil. TSM going with the double save comp
  • Meteos: TL with the strong scaling comp
TSM Seazer:
TSMA Winston:
  • River shen part 2
TSM Treatz:
TSM Reginald:
  • TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM Steve sucks

DURING GAME

Sneaky & Meteos
  • Meteos: TSM can play split really well with this comp.
  • Level 2 gank bot for first blood but it's not that bad for TL. Shen uses a lot of time there
  • Broxah hard trolls the gank top lane. Spent so long on that gank and GP had to flash. Becomes a 1 for and Bjerg gets the kill.
    • Slightly bad for BB though since GP now has a sheen.
  • TSM trade ocean for bio's life. Probably better for TSM. Got Jensen's TP too. Would've been worse for TSM if DL got zoned away from bot wave.
  • Bio died for a ward that doesn't really do anything and BB didn't have any boots so he was too slow to collapse on TL after his TP (Infernal 1)
  • Broxah completes Umbral (15) Goodbye to all your vision.
  • Sneaky: Game is about even... except Jungle is ahead by 2k gold
  • Meteos: Game is going to be really hard for TSM to win without Irelia being really strong.
  • couldn't focus on rest of notes

POST SERIES

INTERVIEW WITH SPICA

  • It was really stressful but we're really mentally resilient.
  • I just suck at Olaf so we just stopped picking it. (lol) Picked champs with agency that can dominate early.
  • Shen is a really good early ganker. 2/3 is really strong and level 6 ult is the strongest ability in the game. Really good pick for me.
  • First split of LCS (youngest player in the League too), teammates are really good and we're all trying our best to do our fair share.
  • FLY/TL have similar playstyles. FLY is better than TL for sure cause they beat them.

POST GAME TWEETS

POST GAME 5 STATS

TSM

BrokenBlade:
  • Really happy we won the series, not happy about my performance today. I will step it up tomorrow my team carried me 💖
    • Doublelift: ur a beast bro everyone has good and bad games, wouldn't wanna play with any other top all the way to finals
  • Diovana (BB gf): You did it well, proud of you 💖🥺
    • 💖
Spica:
Bjergsen:
  • Game 5 is our comfort zone
    • TSM Subroza: 🐐
    • TSM Hazed: All hail.
Doublelift:
  • hey @TLCoreJJ enjoy playins
    • Shakarez: This is good banter but I'm saving this to when somehow the pool 4 Team Liquid gets an easier group than TSM in pool 3/1 (Also, reminder NA #2 Seed is a pool 3 team)
  • so happy everyone stepped up and played their hearts out. we've been improving so much since playoffs started and I hope we can have a great finals tomorrow vs FLY
Biofrost:
  • I knew it was over when we locked in zilean game 5
Treatz:
  • Looks like TL need the practice from playins :) finals tomorrow ggwp #TSMWIN
TSM Myth:
  • I'll do it for you @Jensen "Good game @Bjergsen " 🙂
TSM Smak:
  • I love watching this team, good luck tomorrow guys! #TSMWIN
TSM Cutler:
  • Let’s goooo! #TSMWIN
MaxOlivo:
  • Bjerg is overrated amirite guys
  • COVID has robbed us of some loud af TSM chants Be sure to supports the boys tomorrow and beyond! #TSMWIN
  • #TSMWIN is trending 😎
TSM (Twitter):
  • 2020 #LCS SUMMER SPLIT GRAND FINALISTS.
  • bJerGseN iS wASheD
    • Halifax: How else could his play be that cleannnn. I'll show myself oat.
  • In response to TL's "Haven't lost to TSM in 530 days tweet": 0
  • @LSXYZ9 send our regards to Grandma
Reginald:
  • GG WP @TeamLiquid #TSM
    • TSM Halifax: Let's Go!
TSM PeterZhang:
  • nice I get to experience the same amount of games I missed in regular season for our lcs squad.
  • Zilean Zilean Zilean my Zilean
  • Watching TL vs TSM series feels watching your two sons battle for top. @Tactical you did well ,but your brother did better today.
TSMA Winston:
  • TSM IS GOING TO FINALS and @TSMDoublelift finally conquered his demons against TL!! What a dopamine rush 😊 #tsmwin
TSM Hazed:
  • LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO #TSMWIN
TSM Subroza:
  • GOD @Spicalol #TSM
Dunc:
  • reddit had me convinced TL was the best team in the world and we were going up against the best mid to ever exist, i got baited hard 😔
  • LCS FINALS IS MY CHURCH AND TSM IS MY RELIGION.
  • We've played 20 games in Playoffs so far. You play 18 in an entire season.
TSM Tonington:
  • Game 5 Zilean does it again 😍
TSM Andrew White:
  • I get a finals episode too. #TSMWIN

TEAM LIQUID

Impact:
  • Season is over It is not a satisfactory result The 3th from 9rd place was not bad but it was not the result I wanted. But I'll accept it and trust the teammates and we can do better. thanks a lot of supporting us @TSMDoublelift good luck tmrw you got this👍
Broxah:
  • I'm so heartbroken. I'm sorry.
  • Treatz: You had some really good games Mads ❤️
Jensen
  • intense and fun games but we really need to step it up for worlds ggs tsm
Tactical:
  • nothing yet
CoreJJ
  • Thanks for giving me more practice @TSMDoublelift 😖
    • DL: ggs today it could've easily gone either way. hope to see the Honda MVP pop off at worlds for NA 🥺
Team Liquid (Twitter):
  • Well that sucks.
  • GGWP @TSM . May the best team win tomorrow.
TL Jatt:
  • GG to @TSM Disappointing end to summer split for us, with 3-2 losses to both FLY and TSM. Lots to improve on. Atleast we get more practice time in play-ins ;)
TL Steve:
  • gg TSM

OTHERS

Nelson Sng (LNG Esports Coach):
  • I think Spica is insane and is gonna be the next best jungler in NA
Travis Gafford:
  • So cool that, since summer 2015, Peter has been to the finals of every LCS split he decided to participate in. : ^ )
Malaclypse:
IWD:
  • Welp LS and I agreed on TSM winning the series on Facecheck and it went completely according to planned. Was fairly obvious the Shen jungle was going to be the decider here when analyzing both teams tendencies under a microscope.
  • Its kinda weird that when you correctly predict TSM winning a series you still just get spammed with "HAHAHA HOW SALTY ARE YOU THAT TSM IS IN FINALS." Yeah man I just hate when my predictions end up being correct
  • Its actually weird how people's perception of the series went. Felt like it was mainly big over performance from bot lane from TSM. They were looking like the weakest link of the team going into the series and TL's bot was their strongest.
  • that being said the TSM bot lane hard stepped up and really swung the series into their favor. I'd say mid was relatively even as well as jungle, with top going better for TL than expected.
Shakarez:
  • Ultimately I think it'll be good for TL to go through play-ins first to hopefully figure out the meta. They really got exposed in the last 2 bo5's
Captain Flowers:
  • I'm really happy with that as my last #LCS cast of Summer Split 2020! I remember back when I was brand new and trying to make it into the League scene, the #1 dude I wanted to work with was @esports_kobe and now we've got a whole collection of series together. GG buddy!
Empyre:
  • Lastly, I hope we can celebrate both Bjergsen and Jensen for being great players and giving us a rivalry to enjoy in NA the past several seasons and hopefully several more.
  • TSM hard snowballing and getting more confident with every series. You can see DL playing better and they are refining their drafts with more options (River Shen today). They still have flaws in the midgame (e.g. positional errors that better teams will punish more heavily).
  • It's good for NA that TL's weaknesses got exposed in playoffs (partly due to meta shift). They would have been a bad champion representative. NA really wants a team like G2/Damwon/TOP/Old IG to motivate and inspire the region's teams/fans/players. It felt like TL tried to force out their scaling image in playoffs by being randomly/thoughtlessly aggressive around objectives, but it heavily backfired. They now have time and the play-in process to figure out these issues and I hope they do
Kobe:
  • Special shout out to @Spicalol for accepting the Defense Against the Dark Arts position of JG at @TSM and smurfing in the #LCS playoffs as the youngest player here!
    • Pastrytime: Spica to the LCS crowd was a forgettable Academy player who was put into his first LCS playoffs in a very difficult spot. Now he's looking stronger than ever on route to this first Finals and I'm very glad that his talent is slowly but surely getting recognized.
  • A lot of review for @TeamLiquidLoL from both their playoff series but I have confidence they will work through it and make it through the play-in stages to meet us all in groups once again. Good luck and practice hard!
Cloud9:
  • At least we can say that we lost to the #LCS Champions now
Azael:
  • We have the finest analytical minds in the business on the desk & I never doubted their consistently flawless predictions even for a second.
    • Dash: Only the best on the #LCS
  • Scroll of Truth Meme
    • Doublelift: HAHA
  • TL: Doesn't unplug Bjergsens PC to stop him from double clicking the League of Legends icon on his Desktop Bjergsen: okay, get in. Spongebob Coffin Meme
Robert Yip (Performance Coach for Misfits):
  • There is a certain quality in a player that when adversity hits they have an extra gear. They just refuse to get drawn into negative thoughts. Really seems like Bjergsen has this quality in spades. The current TSM look like they are more outgoing + self confident individually
T1 Esports:
  • Why did jungle Shen win the series
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